Thief, Musketeer, Dark Knight, and Arcanist

[Zyph]

I mean, a legit question, but why choose to stay as a Lancer when you can become a Dragoon? Does Lancer do better than Dragoon in some ways? Or GLD over PLD? MRD over WAR?

No they really don't. Maybe for solo-farming primal entry items, or soloing leves for those "Sword of Eorzea" achievements, or staying alive while exploring the map for the exploration achievement (though for that last one I think Fists of Wind on Monk would be better).

So basically, for anything actually important, they're not. And I'm personally perfectly okay with this. If someone doesn't like being that specialized, level another job, that's what this game is based on.

[Skies]

Or...I could continue to state that I think the system is terribly flawed and what I want from the system can't be done.

I want the jobs to be unique and dynamic and not just "For party play" and classes be "For solo play". It just limits the developers into corridor thinking instead of being able to be unique and dynamic for each job/class they have to slap blinders on and make sure the Classes support their job and the jobs work with the limited abillities and weaponry available.

I do not think that that is the dynamics of Classes and Jobs, actually? I see it as Classes are 'weaker but all-ranging/generalist' and Jobs as 'stronger and highly specialized'. At least that is what the devteam seems to be aiming at.

[Jynx]

I do not think that that is the dynamics of Classes and Jobs, actually? I see it as Classes are 'weaker but all-ranging/generalist' and Jobs as 'stronger and highly specialized'. At least that is what the devteam seems to be aiming at.

This is exactly how it is. Personally I think it limits more than it helps, I'd rather see a "Generalist" job like Redmage or Beastmaster to come out of the fray with their own unique skills and abillities than I would see a crapload of "Generalist" classes that all do the same thing allbeit slightly better/worse.

[VoltaAsura]

I hopefully think so... why?

because dark knight and pld would only differenciate through 5 skills each... they have all basic skills from gladiator and then just 5 different skills? would be boring..

I'm pretty sure you misread what I said. Never fear, I suggested Dark Knight (job) come froma new class altogether (Knight). Not come from Glad.....

[Zyph]

I'm pretty sure you misread what I said. Never fear, I suggested Dark Knight (job) come froma new class altogether (Knight). Not come from Glad.....

Think about it, GLA gets abilities that are very "Paladin"-ish: Aegis Boon, Flash, Sentinel, Rampart, etc. They lend themselves into the theme of Paladin very well.

Whatever Dark Knight's class will be, it will follow the trend of sticking to the theme of it's job. It will have skills like Absorb x(stat), Stygian Spikes (remember that?), Debuffs, and of course weapon skills that have names that sound dark and devastating.

Do you really think it'll be called "Knight?" That's already the JP name for Paladin, and regardless, Knight conjures up images of gallant chivalry, kinda goes against the Dark Knight thing. I think it'll be called something more like "Ravager."

[Tonkra]

I'm pretty sure you misread what I said. Never fear, I suggested Dark Knight (job) come froma new class altogether (Knight). Not come from Glad.....

my answer to your post was "i hopefully think so" ;D

[ChefKiyo]

But if you add a new class with every new job then what's the point of having classes? They should remove classes, and have just jobs. As for cross abilities? Just do the same and make quested abilities "Exclusive". Mnk can use Drg/Brd with the except of jumps/songs ect. It gives more freedom, and makes it so classes aren't redundant.

Do it Square, this makes the most sense.

[YuriSan]

Just give us RDM back.

I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolled!!

[Gumbercules]

haven't read all the posts so sorry if im just repeating, but if drk was still a tanking class the idea of it replacing pld as the players choice doesn't sound that bad. Im thinking let there be a repeatable quest to let the player return to the light or fall into darkness etc. It would be fun to have drk be a "health" siphon style tank and have pld be a "self heal or party heal" tank type, even have like a health sacrifice style spell for the drk that he can heal himself from taking allies health.
...just my two cents. >.>

Forgot Warrior :P but still believe there's a way to make things of this sort work out in a fashion that adds to the game-play even if it feels like a restriction.

[Vaymathias]

haven't read all the posts so sorry if im just repeating, but if drk was still a tanking class the idea of it replacing pld as the players choice doesn't sound that bad. Im thinking let there be a repeatable quest to let the player return to the light or fall into darkness etc. It would be fun to have drk be a "health" siphon style tank and have pld be a "self heal or party heal" tank type, even have like a health sacrifice style spell for the drk that he can heal himself from taking allies health.
...just my two cents. >.>

That's interesting, but Dark Knights have always been a DD, and I don't think that many people would be happy with Dark Knights becoming another tank, I certainly would be put off by it. What you described was more like a "Dark Paladin" (dark theme, black magic, tank), kinda like how "Holy Knights" (Holy theme, holy magic, Damage dealer) is =/= to the opposite of Dark Knight.

As a side note, Dark Paladin types are ridiculous to balance, and tend to shine against weaker enemies while not being effective against the big enemies.