Burst - Any Plans?

[Airget]

A majority of the 15-mins are lackluster. Warrior's Mighty Strikes really isn't that useful when you consider 2/3 of the Combo Finishers are based around "increasing critical rating" so a majority of the time you will land a Critical hit. So there is planning when you use the Warrior 2hr, you only have 15 seconds to make use of it and you might be able to increase your dmg by 300-600 during that time but honestly the damage increase is just as much as if you comboed and got the critical hit from "critical hit rate increase" combo.

Warrior's have two ways to think about it, they could either use Mighty Strikes and use it for the whole combo, or wait it out and use it at the end of a combo. If they use it at the start they risk missing an attack causing the 15 min to be wasted or forcing them to spend more TP to make use of the 15 min.

I'd say out of all of them PLD/BRD/WHM got the best out of it. Even look at MNK 2hr, increase auto-attack rate, so pretty much increase TP gains while also increasing mobs TP gains during that time, it's a double edged sword that may allow you to pull off combos faster but also allow the mob to use more of it's moves based on when you use it in combat. Plus you are still limited by your combo recast so even if you are building TP faster what's the point if you have nothing to spend it on.

Then there's DRG/BLM which are pretty much instant damage moves. Perhaps a way they could fix those 2hrs is if they made it where they could be used in any finished Combo to change it's effect. So say DRG's 3 finishers could be

After:
Disembowel=Decreases elemental resist of 15min and increases it's magic accuracy towards target
Rains of Talon=Increases damage and Raidus of 15 min
Doom Spike=Increases potency of paralysis
Chaos Thrust=Increases Magical crit rate of 15 min

Basically when you perform said combo and use the end of it, you would have a window to gain one of those effect based on which one you used last. So if you did the Chaos Thrust combo then you would be able to increase the chance of the 15min doing critical dmg.

On the BLM end it would be a little tougher since they only have 2 combos and it's already done with the Thunder combo but perhaps something like this could work.

As it stands now we have
Burst=does more dmg when you have less HP(if used during combo)

So the other two could be
Freeze=does more dmg when you have more HP but increases enmity gains
So the Freeze/Burst Combo could do maybe 50% more then burst by itself but it would be risky since it would grant you more enmity then if you were to perform 3 Burst at 100% dmg each rather then 1 Burst at 150% but of course since you can only use Burst every 15mins it may be considered worth it.

For Flare it could be a combo which "increases damage based on amount of DoTs on you with no change in enmity gains" So that combo could make it where a BLM may carry some poisons to injure themselves to add to whatever other DoTs they may be inflicted with to increase dmg.
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Perhaps it could work, but time will tell how they might change it if they do at all but of course XI still has this problems with 2hrs and it's taken them years to change it lol. So hopefully they'll be able to make adjustments to them quick so that they can all find a way to be useful when the situation calls for it.

[SynysterBlitz]

First off, a debate is required to have your personal feelings put into words. That is what a debate is... voicing your opinion about a topic. You actually did say you were a godsend, btw



so theres that...

I wasn't taking your words out of context, I was taking your words in the exact context they were used in. You were saying things that were insulting others and complimenting yourself. But I guess you are right about me. When someone is acting like an asshole, I tend to think they are an asshole.

Cause you said I think I am a godsend, we've been through this, you're just bringing up old shit now, and yes but you are bringing in your personal feelings which are about attacking someone, not debating the topic at hand, you rarely mentioned Burst at all , you are to strung up on trying to make me look bad, It won't work..

Why don't you stop making this about me.. and about the thread... you're just proving to me how obsessed you are with me, thanks bud.

[Griss]

Are you using Burst at low HP??? I don't see the big deal of fixing it, I burn all my mp and convert at the lowest MP possible.

And even then it typically pegs out lower then thundaga

[SynysterBlitz]

And even then it typically pegs out lower then thundaga

Not usually, I see great numbers with Burst, pending low HP ofc. But even full HP Its better then Thundaga, not a by alot by a bit.

[Ryans]

Cause you said I think I am a godsend, we've been through this, you're just bringing up old shit now, and yes but you are bringing in your personal feelings which are about attacking someone, not debating the topic at hand, you rarely mentioned Burst at all , you are to strung up on trying to make me look bad, It won't work..

Why don't you stop making this about me.. and about the thread... you're just proving to me how obsessed you are with me, thanks bud.

Of course I am going to bring up old shit, if you'd call something you said 2 hours ago old, when it is in direct conflict with what you are saying now. Yes, my personal feelings are that you shouldn't attack a person to belittle their opinion. Its used in politics and look where that has gotten the world. If you want to debate, debate why you think something should be one way and not the other. Not once did you say why you thought Burst was a good option for a 15 minute when compared to others. The original topic was never what you were talking about. It was about blm having an ability that was more than just another DD spell. Something that could be used in a pinch and possibly save the group.

The whole reason I am off the topic of Burst (which I sufficiently voiced my opinion about already) is to attempt to stop you from berating peoples' posts by comparing your skill level versus their skill level. That has nothing to do with whether or not blm has a situational 15 minute ability.

Oh, and you were already making yourself look bad enough without me pointing out your flaws.

[Jinko]

I am sorry, I find that hard to believe, I rock 377 INT and I know Burst has some damn good damage outputs. If you can execute a Convert>Excruciate>Burst you will see some nice spike damage,

Yea because we wana be standing around in red HP don't we ... I'm sure you will come back with the "risk is worth the reward" or some such nonsense, but if the risk = death then no, if you die you leave your party in the shit because you made a craptastic decision.

Even if I were to try this I can almost guarantee the WHM would have healed me before I got Burst off anyway.

[SynysterBlitz]

Yea because we wana be standing around in red HP don't we ... I'm sure you will come back with the "risk is worth the reward" or some such nonsense, but if the risk = death then no, if you die you leave your party in the shit because you made a craptastic decision.

Again this is situational when you will be low HP.. and if you want to do it right and quick, you can put Necrogenesis in there for a huge HP recovery, again you guys are just nitpicking lil things Ive said, and have turned it all around on me, just because Im not jumping on your goddamn bandwagon..

[Jinko]

If you put Necrogenesis in there thats even longer you are waiting around in the red, I appreciate what you are saying in theory, but unless you know you are 100% in the safe you can't do this, that means Ifrit is probably not a good place to be doing this lol

I'm not on anybodies bandwagon, I don't use Burst unless I want to see some nice special effects because in most "situations" thats all its good for.

I do agree with what someone said way back though BLM doesn't need a buff so Burst probably shouldn't get one, they could make it more useful though, make it apply a DoT effect or paralysis when used in a combo.

[SynysterBlitz]

Of course I am going to bring up old shit, if you'd call something you said 2 hours ago old, when it is in direct conflict with what you are saying now. Yes, my personal feelings are that you shouldn't attack a person to belittle their opinion. Its used in politics and look where that has gotten the world. If you want to debate, debate why you think something should be one way and not the other. Not once did you say why you thought Burst was a good option for a 15 minute when compared to others. The original topic was never what you were talking about. It was about blm having an ability that was more than just another DD spell. Something that could be used in a pinch and possibly save the group.

The whole reason I am off the topic of Burst (which I sufficiently voiced my opinion about already) is to attempt to stop you from berating peoples' posts by comparing your skill level versus their skill level. That has nothing to do with whether or not blm has a situational 15 minute ability.

Oh, and you were already making yourself look bad enough without me pointing out your flaws.

Not once have I seriously belittled someone, you crack me up.. go troll elsewhere, cause your literally just attacking me and acting like you know my character and you know who I am, dude I have never seen or spoke to you.. so your opinion on how you percieve me is moot at best..

You're derailing this thread with your constant bickering about me.. I dont care who you are, dont care to know you.. and lol @ politics you will do whatever it takes you try and justify yourself.. whatever helps you sleep man..

Burst can be good w/o low hp and great w/ low hp.. its situational, but to go as far as saying it needs adjustments is a joke..

[Zyph]

Why's everyone so mad?

Burst needs either an upgrade or needs to be replaced with *cough*Manafont*cough* or some other job enhancing ability.

It's pretty simple.