UNDERCUTTING....

[Krausus]

actualy, even then, some of the new items cost ALOT more then people realize

what you think is a markup, actualy isnt at all in alot of cases


some of the items needed to make darksteel/rose gold can only be vender bought...for 100k
so when that item is expensive, think about how many of those vender bought items were involved in making it

well like I said I can understand for some of the new items, also I'm not sure if it is based off the rank of the hamlet or GC rank but those items from the vendor can drop to 50K

[TheVedis]

well like I said I can understand for some of the new items, also I'm not sure if it is based off the rank of the hamlet or GC rank but those items from the vendor can drop to 50K

hamlet drops are pretty rare, i sell mine for 1-2mil each, and those are just the tools

if you saw how much we could be making off the ore we turn in, the branches we turn in etc etc, then again, its not a markup to sell them for that much, its almost like taking a loss also by selling them so low
and yes, thats low for those items


you really have to be on the crafting/gathering end to understand alot of this, someone who hasnt touched them and doesnt play the market like we do only sees the price and assumes alot

[Krausus]

hamlet drops are pretty rare, i sell mine for 1-2mil each, and those are just the tools

if you saw how much we could be making off the ore we turn in, the branches we turn in etc etc, then again, its not a markup to sell them for that much, its almost like taking a loss also by selling them so low
and yes, thats low for those items


you really have to be on the crafting/gathering end to understand alot of this, someone who hasnt touched them and doesnt play the market like we do only sees the price and assumes alot

not sure what point you are trying to make I agree with you about the new items, what im specifically talking about are some of the other stuff that obviously does not cost a lot to make but yet is over priced. I dont have to be a crafter or gatherer (yet been working on gathering now) to see how much materials cost.

[TheVedis]

not sure what point you are trying to make I agree with you about the new items, what im specifically talking about are some of the other stuff that obviously does not cost a lot to make but yet is over priced. I dont have to be a crafter or gatherer (yet been working on gathering now) to see how much materials cost.

youd think some of it is alot

but alot of the time, the price is actualy lower then the cost to make it even then, until your in the mix tyring to do it, you may not even notice or understand this

an item for 50k sounds like alot, but if that item takes 60k to make, its not expensive at all, its taking a loss

and on 99% of items being sold, this is usualy the case

those who dont craft and gather will claim up and down they are still being overcharged and it isnt the case, but they seriously are clueless on it cuz they just want the best deal anyway

[Krausus]

youd think some of it is alot

but alot of the time, the price is actualy lower then the cost to make it even then, until your in the mix tyring to do it, you may not even notice or understand this

an item for 50k sounds like alot, but if that item takes 60k to make, its not expensive at all, its taking a loss

and on 99% of items being sold, this is usualy the case

those who dont craft and gather will claim up and down they are still being overcharged and it isnt the case, but they seriously are clueless on it cuz they just want the best deal anyway

I was specifically talking about my server which I mentioned earlier where it doesnt cost 60k to make low level gear more like 8-10k yet more often then not you see it selling for around 80-100k

[TheVedis]

I was specifically talking about my server which I mentioned earlier where it doesnt cost 60k to make low level gear more like 8-10k yet more often then not you see it selling for around 80-100k

low level gear has always been an oddity that is overpriced since no one wants to make it, so those who do, try to overcharge, and then it never sells

remember, the price of an item is what people have paid for it, not just what its up for in the wards

just because you see 20 listings for 60k, doesnt mean its a 60k item, look at the price history and it may tell you that they have never sold

[Matsume]

not sure what point you are trying to make I agree with you about the new items, what im specifically talking about are some of the other stuff that obviously does not cost a lot to make but yet is over priced. I dont have to be a crafter or gatherer (yet been working on gathering now) to see how much materials cost.

I've noticed crafters abusing and taking advantage of lack of competition by overpricing items that shouldn't cost as much to produce. On my server for example, a felt cavaliers hat will cost you 60-100K. Other end game mage items all cost the same, and often there is no one selling these items...

[TheVedis]

I've noticed crafters abusing and taking advantage of lack of competition by overpricing items that shouldn't cost as much to produce. On my server for example, a felt cavaliers hat will cost you 60-100K. Other end game mage items all cost the same, and often there is no one selling these items...

that would be one of the few items actualy marked up

but then look at the price history to see if anyones bought it

and for those who dont realize, that basicaly cost 25-30k to make, 60k isnt really bad price for it if you want to save time

if you care more about money and not time, youd go buy the materials and find a crafter(in which case you may or may not have to pay a service fee on top of it too)


but what happens when more people start selling these....this i the problem we come to

your 25k to make item, drops in price, to 15k, now you cant make it without taking a loss, and no one makes them anymore, and therefore people thatw ant them cant even get them


sure they can still buy the mats to make the item, but they wont, because they will have to pay more, and why should they pay more then what people used to sell the item at, they will expect that 15k price to return, and not buy the materials for 25k unless they are desperate(especialy cuz they may end up paying as much as 50-60k if they dont have a friend who can make it)

[Green_and_a_Half]

I've noticed crafters abusing and taking advantage of lack of competition by overpricing items that shouldn't cost as much to produce. On my server for example, a felt cavaliers hat will cost you 60-100K. Other end game mage items all cost the same, and often there is no one selling these items...

I sell these for 700k +1's which is undercutting by 70-200k usually

[Matsume]

I sell these for 700k +1's which is undercutting by 70-200k usually

I don't give a rat's tail for other peoples +1's. The people buying them are fools and tools you and I both know it that's why you're profiting off of them. As far as your previous post is concerned, with one lvl 50 i can make over 1mil an hour and you know exactly what i'm talking about. You don't need 50 everything to make that kind of gil, just ONE job at lvl 50.

Edit: before ppl started undercutting, that 1mil an hour was actually 2mil an hour