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    For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

    Get more enmity.

    It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
    What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
    How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
    What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

    Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerung5 View Post
    For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

    Get more enmity.

    It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
    What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
    How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
    What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

    Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!
    HAHA Love it

    they really need to make provoke and taunt PLD only abilities and also ramp up emnity on those skills.

    Also the idea someone posted about Acc builds is very good as well Fast Blade >> Flat Blade is great but crap if it misses :P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerung5 View Post
    For everyone who has ever complained in XI or XIV about tanking on PLD being too hard, unbalanced, and unfair, here's a protip.

    Get more enmity.

    It was principal in XI, it's the same here. Enmity should be top concern over everything else. Why? Let's go over it slowly.
    What does a tank do? > Holds hate so other people don't get their face bashed in.
    How does a tank accomplish this? > Making the monster pissed at them most.
    What are ways to do it? > Pure raw damage (WAR) or loads of enmity based skills (PLD)

    Wait, you mean I shouldn't try to hold hate on my PLD through damage output? WHAT THE SHIT IS THIS SORCERY?!
    If PLD held better hate than WAR, it wouldn't matter much the method in which it did. However, even in the case of enmity that is far from the case. If a PLD can manage to stack enough enmity to compare to a WAR in holding hate, it still takes a ton of extra melds and better gear overall and ultimately pales in comparison to an average WAR because damage dealing is very valuable. It especially doesn't help when every content we get has a speed-run aspect to it.

    The key point here is, the only way to get around that is decrease the damage PLD takes significantly in comparison to a WAR, and give it some more to bring to the table in content. PLD has its share of unique abilities, but content in turn is seldom designed to require using such abilities versus using a steamrolling WAR tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    If PLD held better hate than WAR, it wouldn't matter much the method in which it did. However, even in the case of enmity that is far from the case. If a PLD can manage to stack enough enmity to compare to a WAR in holding hate, it still takes a ton of extra melds and better gear overall and ultimately pales in comparison to an average WAR because damage dealing is very valuable. It especially doesn't help when every content we get has a speed-run aspect to it.

    The key point here is, the only way to get around that is decrease the damage PLD takes significantly in comparison to a WAR, and give it some more to bring to the table in content. PLD has its share of unique abilities, but content in turn is seldom designed to require using such abilities versus using a steamrolling WAR tank.
    I agree to an extent, no one can tell me WAR needs a healer less then that of a pld, just not true in anycase, and IF you buffed your WARs def , vit , hp , and parry rate to increase survivability you are seriously decreasing the main reason people use war as a tank, its awsome dps. Is there a middle ground? yes , ofcourse there is, but to try to balance the dps and tank aspects of war in order to take as little damage as PLD and still keep up the DPS , I would say its possable but after looking into how possable it would be, with current gear and materia , it realy isnt. Someone tried to tell me all content in this game can be done with a 1 war (tank) 1 healer set up and 6 dd, umm sure it can but if your gona do that, honestly PLD dose it WAY better, and you might as well kiss the dps on your war good bye as well as that awsome hate controll and self healing. Realy hate getting into this on the forums because anymore its like talking to brick walls. If you dont want to hear that your favorite tank loses much of its tanking abilities the more you gear it up as a tank, well then you are simply not gona hear it. I have no illusions about PLD, it will never be a sufficient source of DPS to take into consideration when choosing a tank. Just like I make no mistake in KNOWING that WAR is an offensive tank and eventhough it dose great damage , can self heal to an extent , and holds hate well, WAR is heavly reliant on DD stats and outside heals/buffs to keep it alive. The more somone tries to shift the balance the more obvious this will become.

    The key point HERE is that nothing NEEDs to be done to make PLD a better choice over WAR other then knowing what stats work best on pld and simply how to play the job. The ONLY thing WAR truley has over a PLD in aspects of tanking is, it is much easier to learn to tank with a WAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceofspades View Post
    I agree to an extent, no one can tell me WAR needs a healer less then that of a pld, just not true in anycase, and IF you buffed your WARs def , vit , hp , and parry rate to increase survivability you are seriously decreasing the main reason people use war as a tank, its awsome dps. Is there a middle ground? yes , ofcourse there is, but to try to balance the dps and tank aspects of war in order to take as little damage as PLD and still keep up the DPS , I would say its possable but after looking into how possable it would be, with current gear and materia , it realy isnt. Someone tried to tell me all content in this game can be done with a 1 war (tank) 1 healer set up and 6 dd, umm sure it can but if your gona do that, honestly PLD dose it WAY better, and you might as well kiss the dps on your war good bye as well as that awsome hate controll and self healing. Realy hate getting into this on the forums because anymore its like talking to brick walls. If you dont want to hear that your favorite tank loses much of its tanking abilities the more you gear it up as a tank, well then you are simply not gona hear it. I have no illusions about PLD, it will never be a sufficient source of DPS to take into consideration when choosing a tank. Just like I make no mistake in KNOWING that WAR is an offensive tank and eventhough it dose great damage , can self heal to an extent , and holds hate well, WAR is heavly reliant on DD stats and outside heals/buffs to keep it alive. The more somone tries to shift the balance the more obvious this will become.

    The key point HERE is that nothing NEEDs to be done to make PLD a better choice over WAR other then knowing what stats work best on pld and simply how to play the job. The ONLY thing WAR truley has over a PLD in aspects of tanking is, it is much easier to learn to tank with a WAR.
    soo...you are saying the LS that beaten Garuda for 1st time did not know how to play PLD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    soo...you are saying the LS that beaten Garuda for 1st time did not know how to play PLD?

    Actually they admitted they didnt even take one.

    Reason unknown but its probably because they thought it was a lost cause.

    Very sad day for PLD ><
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