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    Gallant Surcoat is so horrible that cover's usefulness in boss fights really should not be tied to it.
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    Aye, I didn't forget but it still requires the player to be relatively close to utilize cover putting players potentially in harms way depending on the mob and setup. In any case considering the lackluster stats on AF body, people don't always use it in favor of a double/triple melded cobalt/sentinels so it would still make Cover more or less situational.
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    here's a totally noob question, i havnt gotten that far into the game yet and i dont care to until the char ban is lifted, but can you change body/other gear slots during combat/active mode? if you can, then just change to surcoat for cover, change back when it drops. like XI, if you weren't changing gear, you're doing it wrong.
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    Am I the only person to put cover on melee DD so they can start a front combo without the worry of them getting hit?

    Oh wait... we don't use melee DD.
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    PLD is clearly geared to benefit from melee DD, and assist them as well. That doesn't need to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerung5 View Post
    here's a totally noob question, i havnt gotten that far into the game yet and i dont care to until the char ban is lifted, but can you change body/other gear slots during combat/active mode? if you can, then just change to surcoat for cover, change back when it drops. like XI, if you weren't changing gear, you're doing it wrong.
    Negative, and as it stands Yoshi has no plans on ever allowing it into the game, though he did say if the game had evolved to the point it was necessary he would allow it. I doubt we will see such a change, even with the upgraded 2.0 servers taking alot of the lag/freeze/blinking when macro swapping gear in passive mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brannigan View Post
    Gallant Surcoat is so horrible that cover's usefulness in boss fights really should not be tied to it.
    Its a good FREE standalone piece, however it falls short when materia is added into the mix. Frankly I'd replace it as soon as possible just because we can get more out of a double/triple melded body piece in the long run. I agree in any case and cover should at least have a useful effect when not being utilized for it's intended purpose (which outside of hate reset will probably never happen for a good tank). I'd be more satisfied if Cover innately had the mp regeneration effect, but rather had a greatly increased effect with the Gallant Surcoat making it a commodity to use, not a dependency to make Cover viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordCoheir View Post
    Its a good FREE standalone piece, however it falls short when materia is added into the mix. Frankly I'd replace it as soon as possible just because we can get more out of a double/triple melded body piece in the long run. I agree in any case and cover should at least have a useful effect when not being utilized for it's intended purpose (which outside of hate reset will probably never happen for a good tank). I'd be more satisfied if Cover innately had the mp regeneration effect, but rather had a greatly increased effect with the Gallant Surcoat making it a commodity to use, not a dependency to make Cover viable.
    Shit that's free is still shit, unfortunately. Surcoat is godlike town gear and the cover effect is useful, but you're basically giving up your body slot for MP regen and 12 mind. I'd be surprised if most gladiators don't have something better than surcoat (Cobalt Cuirass with any materia) by the time it's available. I doubt they'll tweak cover any in the coming update, but maybe we'll get lucky with an eventual Gallant Surcoat +1 or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    PLD is clearly geared to benefit from melee DD, and assist them as well. That doesn't need to change.
    Pld cries for ballad while other melees crie for peaon/minuet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KumaAkuma View Post
    Pld cries for ballad while other melees crie for peaon/minuet.
    Correction. A bad PLD cries for Ballad. With Divine Veil + Outmaneuver and Cover a PLD can regenerate a solid amount of MP to maintain it for a an extended battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Correction. A bad PLD cries for Ballad. With Divine Veil + Outmaneuver and Cover a PLD can regenerate a solid amount of MP to maintain it for a an extended battle.
    That depends on how fast they spam Succor on others, and SS on themselves.
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