Normal editor tools. When?

[Themarvin]

This is where the filter starts to slip and I start letting it rip like a bayblade

The people who are already creative, already have their plot how they want it. That's the blunt truth

It brings the floor up to those who already have what they want. So you can match their output for less effort

But in the end you are just treading ground that was already pathed out.

But there isn't any new paths. You've raised the floor to the ceiling. And those at the ceiling have nowhere else to go.

Innovation is viewed as gatekeeping, so innovation as a concept cant exist lol

Innovation is making the tools easier to use as well as being able to finish off projects faster and on top of that being able to spend time trying more different ideas and designs not having to waste time, please just stop?

[Moon_Rabbit]

Innovation is making the tools easier to use as well as being able to finish off projects faster and on top of that being able to spend time trying more different ideas and designs not having to waste time, please just stop?

If everyone stand out, noone stands out.

Is not about innovations, nor the creativity, it's the fear of become mediocrity when everyone is given the opportunity to do the same with less effort. A pity.

[Solowing]

Is not about innovations, nor the creativity, it's the fear of become mediocrity when everyone is given the opportunity to do the same with less effort. A pity.

Wait wait wait. So am I supposed to be impressed you can do what I do with less effort? How can I be? If you make the exact same plot I did (not saying that you will or do) Your plot has less extrinsic value, then mine would. If we both have the same exact plot. Who would be respected for? Me for doing the manual grind, or you just copy pasting it up there. The end result is the same. But yours doesn't have a story to tell, and I think that's where the soul lies.

But you've would've up to skill floor the the ceiling. And by doing so you've effectively flatten the curve. So the houses that took weeks now become as valuable as a house built in 4 hours.

I don't want that.

Sorry but yea Id like to preserve the soul of the art, And to do that I gotta gatekeep a little bit. I complete see and understand your reason. But to me I find the output IN the INPUT. And the glitch really allow me to see someone's creative spark cut loose in spite of the limits because the tools don't make the artist. The artist makes them from the heart and the tools he can reach.

[Solowing]

Innovation is making the tools easier to use as well as being able to finish off projects faster and on top of that being able to spend time trying more different ideas and designs not having to waste time, please just stop?

You are poking into "its the art not the artist" territory.. And that has implications, I think you'd disagree with...

Correct, I'm just arguing from a different aspect. You find in the expression, I find it through mastery. But I also don't find Art expression doesn't have a limitation. Its the users willingness to see that message through regardless of the limitation. Creativity comes from within, not without.

[Themarvin]

You are poking into "its the art not the artist" territory.. And that has implications, I think you'd disagree with...

Correct, I'm just arguing from a different aspect. You find in the expression, I find it through mastery. But I also don't find Art expression doesn't have a limitation. Its the users willingness to see that message through regardless of the limitation. Creativity comes from within, not without.

Even Davinci invented better paintbrushes and the likes to make things go easier and easier to handle things, so did any great artist. inventor or art performer in history.

[Solowing]

Even Davinci invented better paintbrushes and the likes to make things go easier and easier to handle things, so did any great artist. inventor or art performer in history.

Art comes from within, not from without. Sorry, I gotta be purist on this. I HAVE to stand on it. I think the art is in the method not so much the result.

Either it requires the human touch or it doesn't.

Im not saying having a tool is wrong, but it WILL devalue those who worked the system already.

And I find, some sick twisted joy watching someone make a room that forces them to give it all the neurons they've got. Its something honest and enjoyable. Its an mindset that you carry with you. Problem solving skills and a creativity they themselves never knew they possessed. "No" isn't a absolute, its a suggestion.

[Themarvin]

Art comes from within, not from without. Sorry, I gotta be purist on this. I HAVE to stand on it. I think the art is in the method not so much the result.

Either it requires the human touch or it doesn't.

Im not saying having a tool is wrong, but it WILL devalue those who worked the system already.

And I find, some sick twisted joy watching someone make a room that forces them to give it all the neurons they've got. Its something honest and enjoyable. Its an mindset that you carry with you. Problem solving skills and a creativity they themselves never knew they possessed. "No" isn't a absolute, its a suggestion.

Not really devalued, besides the system has been broken since housing became a thing, so there you have it.

[Solowing]

Not really devalued, besides the system has been broken since housing became a thing, so there you have it.

Actually it was never broken, a player figured out you could unintentionally glitch things up, and it and players took that unintended aspect and went wild with it.

You've innately devalue it by removing the effort required to make something equivalent. You don't get the "Wow, how did they do this!? "How do you make a small feel so large"" moment.

You get the "eh nice" I'll design something like this later.." Because the process was removed. And that's what set those who just want to throw something together. And those who are willing to see that vision through, despite what the game tells them.

Art/Creativity doesn't ask to be "allowed" be be expressed. It just is.