Normal editor tools. When?

[Solowing]

We need a complete freedom when placing the housing items. Trust me, you’d love it too.

It flattens the skill curve for everybody , if a z axis is added. It raises the skill floor and lowers the skill ceiling. Nothing's really going to be impressive because anybody can create anything impressive.

Nothing would be impressive to me.Because there is no struggle. It to me would feel like the end result was all that mattered and i'm not impressed by the end result , if anybody can create that end result without struggle

If there was a marathon across 20 miles, and one person actually did the full marathon, and another person decided , I don't feel like walking twenty miles , so i'm going to drive 19 of them, and then walk the last mile.

Both players did the marathon.Just one decided to cut out all the hard work and the other one embraced it. In the end , the result is the same, but who do you respect more for finishing that marathon?

[Ilisidi]

A prefer arriving at my destination without having to walk for four hours uphill in the burning sun without water while carrying a sack of stones. Especially when the intended distance is 5km (housing without glitch use). I also don't find marathon running impressive and consider it insanity to do under adverse unintended conditions.

But then, I find desgins good looking or not and you can't see whether the good looking designs or even the bad designs have been done with floating glitches or just plugins. Glitches aren't the intended way to do housing, they should fix the glitch and either give us proper tools for housing item placement or enforce the game's intended limitations.

It's certainly more impressive to have a great glitch-free design than plugin floats.

[Solowing]

A prefer arriving at my destination without having to walk for four hours uphill in the burning sun without water while carrying a sack of stones. Especially when the intended distance is 5km (housing without glitch use). I also don't find marathon running impressive and consider it insanity to do under adverse unintended conditions.

But then, I find desgins good looking or not and you can't see whether the good looking designs or even the bad designs have been done with floating glitches or just plugins. Glitches aren't the intended way to do housing, they should fix the glitch and either give us proper tools for housing item placement or enforce the game's intended limitations.

It's certainly more impressive to have a great glitch-free design than plugin floats.

By the end of you've come to appreciate the hours that you spent creating at. Others can see the effort that you put into it because it reflects in its work. It's like climbing a mental Everest.Yeah , it's a little grueling sometimes , but once you get to the top and you look down and you get to appreciate it all for the hardship, it makes the end result thay much more meaningful

If i can replicate what you can within 15 minutes.It's not impressive anymore.It's a style to be consumed not appreciated.

Housings limitations actually, forces you to think outside of the box and overcome friction and limitations.It's about the journey as much as the outcome.

The friction is what makes housing interesting in xiv.

From my perspective , as a playstation exclusive user. For me , let's say , if they add a z access , then what's left for me? If I can make exactly what I want, then there's no alternate routes to the end result. I dont find those little emergent designs because nothing would ever challenge me at any point. There's no "what if I tried it like this" moment because the system no longer gives you the friction to occassional stop you to ask those questions.

I do understand your perspective.

But I can't agree to it, because that what in my opinion makes housing stands out. Because you speak with your soul and commitment to a vision. Can't fake an impressive design, you have to put in the time and effort to create it.

And I want to preserve that.

[Burmecia]

as local ps5 platforming "handyman", i welcome z axis!
handyman as in, i've taught all my friends to float furniture, and place beds under the stairs and whatever other common tricks there are.
some of them more than once (because they forgot how).
i'm the one they call for help when "it fell down again! can't you just do it?".

...i'm also doormat, so it's hard to say "no" for me QQ

[Solowing]

A prefer arriving at my destination without having to walk for four hours uphill in the burning sun without water while carrying a sack of stones. Especially when the intended distance is 5km (housing without glitch use). I also don't find marathon running impressive and consider it insanity to do under adverse unintended conditions.

But then, I find desgins good looking or not and you can't see whether the good looking designs or even the bad designs have been done with floating glitches or just plugins. Glitches aren't the intended way to do housing, they should fix the glitch and either give us proper tools for housing item placement or enforce the game's intended limitations.

It's certainly more impressive to have a great glitch-free design than plugin floats.

Houses built with burndown.The house is pretty easy to spot.Because there's typically designs that you normally cannot create. Sinking things into the floor is something you just can't do normally unless you lift there from the floor beneath it. And given that's an extreme amount of guesswork, most players just aren't gonna do that.However , p c modded players will do it because it's trivial to them.

Do I find it cool? Yes

Do I find it impressive? No

Here's the thing. If they fix that glitch , then we all go back to baseline housing where nothing is loftable. Fixing the glitch actually limit everyone.

[Ilisidi]

Which is why we want the editor. Cause the time wasted on glitching is utterly ridiculous and just as useless as running a marathon is. At least with a house you then have a pretty house to look at.

[Solowing]

Which is why we want the editor. Cause the time wasted on glitching is utterly ridiculous and just as useless as running a marathon is. At least with a house you then have a pretty house to look at.

Its arguing for art while removing the process. and in doing so you make you own creation weightless.

Its like a 20 mile marathon, where someone did the entire marathon, while you drove 19 miles because the process is annoying. So the end result is all that matters. No one's going to clap once you pass the finish-line. Its a hollow victory, its the outcome without the effort. But those who made the effort to make it to the outcome. Those are the people who get noticed for the determination, grit and the human spirit, that unwillingness to give up or accept "limitations"

This is literally Endwalkers story being thrown back at players. And the players are having 2 completely different reactions to the same message, when told it as a story, and it being told to them as a person.

[Solowing]

as local ps5 platforming "handyman", i welcome z axis!
handyman as in, i've taught all my friends to float furniture, and place beds under the stairs and whatever other common tricks there are.
some of them more than once (because they forgot how).
i'm the one they call for help when "it fell down again! can't you just do it?".

...i'm also doormat, so it's hard to say "no" for me QQ

Fish for a man, he eats that day, teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime

[Moon_Rabbit]

Imagine if every major expansion for FFXIV took ten years to make. After all, only process matters, right? Any player would gladly wait even longer, because old developers tools is good aestetics and challenge!
Anyway, thx to Solowing this thread refreshing on a forums.

[Solowing]

Imagine if every major expansion for FFXIV took ten years to make. After all, only process matters, right? Any player would gladly wait even longer, because old developers tools is good aestetics and challenge!
Anyway, thx to Solowing this thread refreshing on a forums.

You're basically subscribing GTA 6. And that's about to be one of the biggest releases known to man currently.

Or Sparking Zero which went dormant for 15 years. (The game actually is a step back. Many of the refinements and balanced Tenkaichi 3 had, were just out the window. And even released the game knowing it wasnt fully cooked just to meet diama, because the end result was all that mattered, a shipped game)