Please just... Just change Living Dead

[Mercury_Grey]

Theres a lot of reasons that set current hp to 1 feauture of superbolide got removed. There were cases were it could kill you in very specific and unlucky scenarios. The original request for the change comes from the OP not wanting to take the time out of their day to explain to a healer what living dead does. Just save a google doc or .txt file with a copy paste of the explanation its not that hard bro.

I apologize for coming off dissmissive but the amount of belly aching about dark knight in dungeons is getting ridiculous. the class is great at blasting down big pulls fast, living dead is really good between levels 50 and 69 because you dont have tbn and may struggle to stay alive if your party has bad dps and or healer/s. The idea that dark knight is "squishy" is just not true. You just cant turn your brain off like with warrior.

I remember in ShB when GNB came out the superbolide had a 1 second delay after pressing it. Had ot plan it ahead of time during pulls otherwise once pressed you can die. Was kind of funny for those who used it at teh wrong time

[ShionAsrai]

The original request for the change comes from the OP not wanting to take the time out of their day to explain to a healer what living dead does. Just save a google doc or .txt file with a copy paste of the explanation its not that hard bro.

I really don't mean to be offensive or rude, i'm really curious, is it sarcasm or genuine suggestion?
The fact that people have to pull out a google doc like a meme is really funny to me. I mean i just always assume people read the chat and understand what don't heal me before i reach 1 HP, i won't die means, of course 90% of the time i'm proven wrong but i guess i'm not thinking right, it reminds me the famous insanity quote.

Of course most dungeons don't even require the use of Living Dead, the only dungeons i can remember where i can make use of it easily are Hullbreaker Isle and Mount Gulg, maybe Holminster Switch too.

[Reginald_Cain]

I really don't mean to be offensive or rude, i'm really curious, is it sarcasm or genuine suggestion?
The fact that people have to pull out a google doc like a meme is really funny to me. I mean i just always assume people read the chat and understand what don't heal me before i reach 1 HP, i won't die means, of course 90% of the time i'm proven wrong but i guess i'm not thinking right, it reminds me the famous insanity quote.

Of course most dungeons don't even require the use of Living Dead, the only dungeons i can remember where i can make use of it easily are Hullbreaker Isle and Mount Gulg, maybe Holminster Switch too.

It's a genuine suggestion if you dont want to type during dungeons. Any dungeon run with a competent healer shouldn't even require you to use living dead so if you want to use it for funnies then all were saying is ask the healer to let you. The job shouldn't be made worse overall to facilitate not wanting to chat in an mmo

I get wanting the power trip of getting stabbed to 1 hp by many foes only to life drain back to full like a savage just communicate that desire and you're good.

[GraceHorizon]

Any dungeon run with a competent healer shouldn't even require you to use living dead…

This. Living Dead is super fun to use, but unless your healer is badly off their game or actually dead, you don’t need it. If you try to get it to proc and the healer doesn’t let you drop to 1 HP, congratulations, you lived. The only exception is if you’ve really bitten off more than you can chew and taken a pull your healer thought they could handle but in fact couldn’t, and ran themselves out of resources trying, in which case … wipe and come back with a smaller pull. It’s a pretty uncommon occurrence and it shouldn’t get repeated much because it’s a big learning experience.

[Supersnow845]

The other problem with living dead which is why I tend to not let it proc and because I’m confident I can keep the person alive without activating it is the fact that tanks using LD often panic and press it alongside half their mitigation kit so often they make themselves tanky enough that they risk it ending just before if procs meaning they are now on 5% HP with zero mitigation

I’d rather just use the shield healers natural heal layering to keep them in a decent range than risk of dropping off at the worst time because they panicked and dumped it out with half their mitigation

And that’s fine, I triaged the situation and the tank lived, is that not the essence of how interaction works in an MMO

[ShionAsrai]

It's a genuine suggestion if you dont want to type during dungeons. The job shouldn't be made worse overall to facilitate not wanting to chat in an mmo

I get wanting the power trip of getting stabbed to 1 hp by many foes only to life drain back to full like a savage just communicate that desire and you're good.

The suggestion doesn't make the job worse, it's aimed at improving it as healers LOVE to grief the whole thing.
The fact that people ignore the chat 90% of the time makes suggesting communicating null, i have a macro for it and even then the healer will play blind. An ability that requires another player to NOT interact with the tank should negate the interaction to begin with, this is the logical problem with the first phase of it.

Besides, it's an ability of Dark Knight and the idea is to get close to dying, who's going on a power trip here really if they're not DPSing while the invulnerability is being used? Are healers the green DPS as this community constantly says or are healers just simply healers?

The other problem with living dead which is why I tend to not let it proc and because I’m confident I can keep the person alive without activating it is the fact that tanks using LD often panic and press it alongside half their mitigation kit

Assuming this is what happened then you're free to do as required obviously, this isn't what's being discussed.

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This topic is being derailed, the entire problem being discussed is the healers not letting it ever pop, you want your job be more than just 15 buttons of heals? then let the Dark Knight use their invulnerability, does it HAVE to be an invulnerability without a requirement for healers to stop healing during invulnerability, what is hard to understand here?

Again just to clarify what's NOT being talked in here, it's obviously expected to heal if the tank is using invulnerability with their mitigations or if it's a small pull. That's simply the tank being bad, not the case of healer not paying attention or actively griefing it.

The whole idea is to pull a huge pack which is rare in dungeons to progress a little faster and use the invulnerability and maybe hope that the healer doesn't try to heal through it, killing a big part of that swarm of enemies by the time invulnerability runs out and then start healing.

Assuming this suggestion for an improvement goes through, thanks to patch 7.1 the healer doesn't need to stress themselves about the Dark Knight dying right after the first phase runs out as Abyssal Drain healing potency was increased already and Living Dead effects apply earlier, it's insane that even the healer mains started telling their life story over a suggestion for an invulnerability that has 290 seconds of down time, don't worry, this doesn't change a thing about your role, you will just be damaging more. I don't want to start maining Warrior and bore the healer out of existence, other option is Paladin.
No it doesn't change the identity of the ability, just saying it before this claim comes here too, it's called Living Dead, it would be doing what it's supposed to.

[Supersnow845]

It’s not derailing the thread to say “at least as often as not the healer has actively triaged the situation and declared internally that living dead isn’t worth risking” while you are over here thinking the healers are coordinating meeting to grief DRK’s intentionally

This is a cooperative game, you press the button as a tank that requires interaction from the healer, I at the time determine living dead to be a button I’m not willing to risk and something I don’t need to account for in my mit plan so I ignore it. Just as even if the person has no idea what living dead is and how it works they have triaged the situation and determined they need to keep you alive, is it the optimal decision? Not in that case, but it’s an interplay decision that gives agency to different people. This is literally how a cooperative MMO works

Living dead as a button isn’t necessary outside of savage, if you want to have a big MC moment without anyone else’s intervention then play one of the tanks with a true invuln, false invulns are always going to be treated slightly different

[Reginald_Cain]

Omg bruh the healer isn't greifing by doing their job and healing you. If you cant adapt to not being able to use unnecessary invulnerability buttons in casual content where its not needed then you need to realize that mmos arent for you. If the healer isn't paying attention to chat stop and make them. Your the tank, you control the flow of the dungeon. Grow some extra skin. Communicate or accept you wont need to press living dead. This is asking for so much nonsense.

Worst part is im certain you think you are 100% correct that healers healing is grief because you wanna press ld.

[Carighan]

Omg bruh the healer isn't greifing by doing their job and healing you. If you cant adapt to not being able to use unnecessary invulnerability buttons in casual content where its not needed then you need to realize that mmos arent for you. If the healer isn't paying attention to chat stop and make them. Your the tank, you control the flow of the dungeon. Grow some extra skin. Communicate or accept you wont need to press living dead. This is asking for so much nonsense.

Worst part is im certain you think you are 100% correct that healers healing is grief because you wanna press ld.

Yeah I never get this either.

If anything the actual complaint should be that the other three invuls have no feedback machism (games and all, feedback systems like we learned in game design classes!) to indicate that you used them but didn't need them. Living Dead does (at least to a degree), so in a way it's the only well-designed invulnerability skill.