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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    You shouldn't. Invulns are just another cooldown. I try to use them as much as possible, or at least I did before tanks became so strong that using anything other than their short mitigations became optional.
    It's a simple difference in mindset, I consider invulns to be a last resort - Hence a failure condition for my play, however I'm used to tanks using them first which is somewhat amusing as a WHM main since people invuln in my holy stun window. You can bet I'm not dropping my dps for your invuln.
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    Saphir Amariyo
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I'm used to tanks using them first which is somewhat amusing as a WHM main since people invuln in my holy stun window. You can bet I'm not dropping my dps for your invuln.
    Any WHM that focuses on being green DPS for the first few GCD's is a blessing. I try to wait for stun resist to kick in before I use my own mitigation though some WHM's are so inconsistent. If I hold back, they start casting Cure II, if I invuln, they start casting Holy. It can be the most complicated part of dungeon CD rotations.
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    Jaune Khione
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    Any WHM that focuses on being green DPS for the first few GCD's is a blessing. I try to wait for stun resist to kick in before I use my own mitigation though some WHM's are so inconsistent. If I hold back, they start casting Cure II, if I invuln, they start casting Holy. It can be the most complicated part of dungeon CD rotations.
    i found the best way as the tank make a macro or say after 2nd boss "last pull ill use invul or something"
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    Tani Shirai
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    I'd rather just have a self-kill (reduce self to 1 HP) button available after activating Walking Dead that then restores that health thereby wasted over the next 3 server ticks (i.e., up to 9 seconds).

    Or rather, tbh, I'd kinda prefer Living Dead and Holmgang just allow your HP to go negative (or, for would-be fatal damage just to add equal healing-nullification) without you dying (with DRK maybe having the further advantage of a passive that increases self-healing done for each %hp missing with further effect from going negative / having healing --in terms of %hp-- blocked), but that'd require a compensatory nerf to all invulns in turn. /shrug
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 11-27-2025 at 06:05 PM.

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    Reginald_Cain's Avatar
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    Reginald Cain
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    Theres a lot of reasons that set current hp to 1 feauture of superbolide got removed. There were cases were it could kill you in very specific and unlucky scenarios. The original request for the change comes from the OP not wanting to take the time out of their day to explain to a healer what living dead does. Just save a google doc or .txt file with a copy paste of the explanation its not that hard bro.

    I apologize for coming off dissmissive but the amount of belly aching about dark knight in dungeons is getting ridiculous. the class is great at blasting down big pulls fast, living dead is really good between levels 50 and 69 because you dont have tbn and may struggle to stay alive if your party has bad dps and or healer/s. The idea that dark knight is "squishy" is just not true. You just cant turn your brain off like with warrior.
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    Last edited by Reginald_Cain; 12-24-2025 at 03:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain View Post
    Theres a lot of reasons that set current hp to 1 feauture of superbolide got removed. There were cases were it could kill you in very specific and unlucky scenarios. The original request for the change comes from the OP not wanting to take the time out of their day to explain to a healer what living dead does. Just save a google doc or .txt file with a copy paste of the explanation its not that hard bro.

    I apologize for coming off dissmissive but the amount of belly aching about dark knight in dungeons is getting ridiculous. the class is great at blasting down big pulls fast, living dead is really good between levels 50 and 69 because you dont have tbn and may struggle to stay alive if your party has bad dps and or healer/s. The idea that dark knight is "squishy" is just not true. You just cant turn your brain off like with warrior.
    I remember in ShB when GNB came out the superbolide had a 1 second delay after pressing it. Had ot plan it ahead of time during pulls otherwise once pressed you can die. Was kind of funny for those who used it at teh wrong time
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    Shion Miyanozaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain View Post
    The original request for the change comes from the OP not wanting to take the time out of their day to explain to a healer what living dead does. Just save a google doc or .txt file with a copy paste of the explanation its not that hard bro.
    I really don't mean to be offensive or rude, i'm really curious, is it sarcasm or genuine suggestion?
    The fact that people have to pull out a google doc like a meme is really funny to me. I mean i just always assume people read the chat and understand what don't heal me before i reach 1 HP, i won't die means, of course 90% of the time i'm proven wrong but i guess i'm not thinking right, it reminds me the famous insanity quote.

    Of course most dungeons don't even require the use of Living Dead, the only dungeons i can remember where i can make use of it easily are Hullbreaker Isle and Mount Gulg, maybe Holminster Switch too.
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    Reginald Cain
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShionAsrai View Post
    I really don't mean to be offensive or rude, i'm really curious, is it sarcasm or genuine suggestion?
    The fact that people have to pull out a google doc like a meme is really funny to me. I mean i just always assume people read the chat and understand what don't heal me before i reach 1 HP, i won't die means, of course 90% of the time i'm proven wrong but i guess i'm not thinking right, it reminds me the famous insanity quote.

    Of course most dungeons don't even require the use of Living Dead, the only dungeons i can remember where i can make use of it easily are Hullbreaker Isle and Mount Gulg, maybe Holminster Switch too.
    It's a genuine suggestion if you dont want to type during dungeons. Any dungeon run with a competent healer shouldn't even require you to use living dead so if you want to use it for funnies then all were saying is ask the healer to let you. The job shouldn't be made worse overall to facilitate not wanting to chat in an mmo

    I get wanting the power trip of getting stabbed to 1 hp by many foes only to life drain back to full like a savage just communicate that desire and you're good.
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    Last edited by Reginald_Cain; 02-06-2026 at 09:34 AM.

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    Thane Ryder
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I'm still just wondering why anyone is pressing Living Dead in a dungeon while the healer is alive. If you're running with a healer friend and communicate it, sure, use it, but even then it's just not necessary. Kardia or some Regen while rotating mitigations is enough to never be at any risk unless your DPS is worse than scions, especially at level cap. TBN + Oblation + Dark Mind completely negate all dungeon tank busters, they are all available every minute and there is no dungeon tank buster that happens more frequently than every minute, meaning you can (and should) use every single mit you have on trash. Hold AD to heal, pop Vigil on first wall before spamming TBN, use all other mits on second wall, hold AD to heal, kill the boss, repeat it 2 more times, what you need LD for? AD already does what LD does for you with a shorter cooldown and none of the issues.
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    [...]what you need LD for? AD already does what LD does for you with a shorter cooldown and none of the issues.
    I'm sorry, we are supposed to "hold" Abyssal Drain? I just freefire it for damage except for specific dungeons like Mt Gulg. Either way, Living Dead is less of a "must use this" and more a convenience tool. If I'm healing and I see the DRK using it, I'm gonna stop healing and let it trigger so it doesn't go to waste. I appreciate the one or two extra AOEs I get to use instead of using heal GCDs and holding onto other oGCDs. I just think it's efficient to use it, but its a coordination / awareness check.
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