Lets have class only abilities and spells

[Kiote]

I would rather SE remove them and work on maximising roles, lets not forget that having multiple classes as well as jobs tacked on is just asking for balancing issues later on when the level cap raises.

There is quite literally nothing to support this allegation.

If content is designed to Solo or a Small group it will be balanced for Classes. People will have to take more responsibility for their own survival.

If content is designed for Full Parties or, god willing, alliances it will be balanced for Jobs. Having two different ways to play will not effect the balancing of content at all.

As far as future abilities are concerned, they have to balance for cross classing skills with Jobs anyway. Having to do it with classes simultaneously will not make a difference.

Classes are for people who don't like being told how to play. Jobs are for people who want a predefined role. You don't alienate one group to satisfy another. That only leads to a smaller target audience.

[Jinko]

Classes are for people who don't like being told how to play. Jobs are for people who want a predefined role. You don't alienate one group to satisfy another. That only leads to a smaller target audience.

You mean like all the other countless MMO's out there that alienate people based on a forced role ?

The only reason they would alienate people now is because nobody likes change, as I said previously the reason why Yoshi didn't remove classes from day one was probably due to backslash from the community.

It's a known fact that FF fans don't take change very well.

[Jynx]

Lets have class only abilities and spells.

So...doesn't this defeat the entire purpose of the class/job system?

You don't alienate one group to satisfy another.

Wise man once said: If you chase two rabbits they will both get away.

[Kiote]

You mean like all the other countless MMO's out there that alienate people based on a forced role?

That is exactly right. There is a large number of Gamer's who do not play MMO's because they cannot play the way they want to. MMO's have always been overly restrictive. FFXI was a hit because you could play every way without starting over. The current class system build on that and draws in a larger Fan Base. This is especially true of the Final Fantasy fan base who has grown used to being able to develop character in any direction they want.

Final Fantasy has not been a game with forced Roles for a very long time.

[DeadRiser]

But with classes everyone still equips the same abilities. No one cross classes actions.

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Stoneskin
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Keen Flurry
Chameleon
Featherfoot
Forseight

I don't see how classes can let you play everything when there are only so many things you can equip without gimping yourself. I don't care if people don't like my opinion. I say get rid of classes and just keep jobs. I mean with jobs, people still equip the same 5 things according to their class.

[Jinko]

That is exactly right. There is a large number of Gamer's who do not play MMO's because they cannot play the way they want to.

I think you will find the main reason for most gamers not playing MMO's is down to the fact that they don't like the thought of a subscription.

It has very little to do with being restricted to a specific role, almost ever game out there forces you into some kind of role.

[Kiote]

Cure
Raise
Stoneskin
Protect
Invigorate
Keen Flurry
Chameleon
Featherfoot
Forseight

You forgot

Provoke
Rampart
Sentinel
Sanguine Rite
Overpower
Feint
Second Wind
Blood for Blood
and Quelling Strike

Just because you only equip the same 5 skill on every job, doesn't mean everyone only equips those skills. There are more ways to play than just your way. You should try experimenting some time.

[DeadRiser]

You forgot

Provoke
Rampart
Sentinel
Sanguine Rite
Overpower
Feint
Second Wind
Blood for Blood
and Quelling Strike

Just because you only equip the same 5 skill on every job, doesn't mean everyone only equips those skills. There are more ways to play than just your way. You should try experimenting some time.

You pretty much just answered my response. It's ALL the same group of things. Gladiators and Marauders equip tanking abilities to tank better. Mages equip healing and support. Damage dealers equip damage dealing abilities. And everyone equips healing. It's not really a free for all, everyone equips the same group of abilities per class.

[Kiote]

I think you will find the main reason for most gamers not playing MMO's is down to the fact that they don't like the thought of a subscription.

Most gamers can easily rationalize a subscription. That is why Xbox Live is so popular.

MMOs have long been the Genre of Reclusive Elitests who think they know better than everyone else and only socialize in game with people of the same mind set. Predefined roles only reinforces this kind of attitude. If you want to expand the player base, you have to open up the game play and make it adaptable to any persons chosen play style.

This is especially true for Casual Solo players. More than anything, they look for a way to do thing their way in their own time. Forcing them do things one specific way will only make them walk away.

[Firon]

That is exactly right. There is a large number of Gamer's who do not play MMO's because they cannot play the way they want to. MMO's have always been overly restrictive. FFXI was a hit because you could play every way without starting over. The current class system build on that and draws in a larger Fan Base. This is especially true of the Final Fantasy fan base who has grown used to being able to develop character in any direction they want.

Final Fantasy has not been a game with forced Roles for a very long time.

I usually don't agree with this guy but you hit the nail on the head. I was think they could give classes stuff more suited for solo. Like give cnj an extra attack spell for cnj only. Give pgl a skill that helps dodge attack when alone or in a group with 4 ppl or less.

Cure
Raise
Stoneskin
Protect
Invigorate
Keen Flurry
Chameleon
Featherfoot
Forseight

I don't see how classes can let you play everything when there are only so many things you can equip without gimping yourself. I don't care if people don't like my opinion. I say get rid of classes and just keep jobs. I mean with jobs, people still equip the same 5 things according to their class.

To this when they add more classes it will be even more skills to choose from. when we have 15 classes and only like 15 skills to choose from what will you pick?