FF14 player count reached the lowest point in 4 years. We lost 75% of the playerbase.

[Little_Giant]

Pay extra $50 or do hundreds of hours msq is one of the reason why influx of players is low. That people are against it being included(optional) for new players is baffling to me.

It's simple not easy to get into ffxiv. Early ffxiv is not good and need a heavy remake. Standards change and ffxiv is not keeping up.

[Striker44]

this way we can focus on next worst expansion being worst?

Exactly - and watch how the people who don't like whatever that expansion is about will trash it while at the same time praising DT, the same way EW gets praised around here now but was *****ped all over when it was current. This forum is just perpetually a negative echo chamber where the worst expansion ever is whichever one happens to be current.

It is frightening to see the game that empty. Even on popularted data centers amount of activity is very low.

What? I'm on Aether. Evening and weekend hunt trains I've done have still been averaging ~125-150 people on Greg, compared to ~200 at expansion's start. The regular dip, but nothing out of the ordinary. I still queue for very specific raids and dungeons while doing WT each week and have the same rather quick queues (a few minutes at most) I've always had. This comment just doesn't seem to match reality.

[Maltothoris]

What? I'm on Aether. Evening and weekend hunt trains I've done have still been averaging ~125-150 people on Greg, compared to ~200 at expansion's start. The regular dip, but nothing out of the ordinary. I still queue for very specific raids and dungeons while doing WT each week and have the same rather quick queues (a few minutes at most) I've always had. This comment just doesn't seem to match reality.

How bout checking Primal and Dynamis which are pretty dead??


EDit: That being said, is the game in a bad spot? No. On the other hand, it is not in a good spot either, especially with the latest census out and how abysmal OC and FT rates are.

[Infindox]

How bout checking Primal and Dynamis which are pretty dead??


EDit: That being said, is the game in a bad spot? No. On the other hand, it is not in a good spot either, especially with the latest census out and how abysmal OC and FT rates are.

Dynamis is always dead like that. The only time I ever saw it as busy as Aether was the first week or so when it was new, and people made alts to see what was up. I still have an alt there and the difference between my main's Limsa and the alt's Limsa is night and day.

But yes OC and FT failed miserably and that drove a lot of people away because they thought it would be like Eureka and/or Bozja again. I think we will have some people checking out the MH collab and the people who are into Deep Dungeon, but the amount of people won't last long at all.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

How bout checking Primal and Dynamis which are pretty dead??


EDit: That being said, is the game in a bad spot? No. On the other hand, it is not in a good spot either, especially with the latest census out and how abysmal OC and FT rates are.

If you're talking about LuckyBancho's, to me it's also jarring that the blue graph representing the new players trying the game during Dawntrail diminishes rapidly. And yet, the amount of people who go "Psssh! Fake covid & WoW exodus padding...! We don't need 'em!!" as if losing interest from hundred thousand players that was thrown at you for free is any signs pointing toward your game is (un)healthy has been laughably depressing.

[Supersnow845]

If you're talking about LuckyBancho's, to me it's also jarring that the blue graph representing the new players trying the game during Dawntrail diminishes rapidly. And yet, the amount of people who go "Psssh! Fake covid & WoW exodus padding...! We don't need 'em!!" as if losing interest from hundred thousand players that was thrown at you for free is any signs pointing toward your game is (un)healthy has been laughably depressing.

No no no no no don’t you know? We were never going to keep those players anyway so even attempting to do anything at all is completely futile something something or some such

[Hyperia]

There isn't even much long term content in 7.35. Deep Dungeon with the new system is nice, but most people will do it once or a few times, then leave again.

I wish the new deep dungeon had the Quantum system in it but it is not. The Quantum system is for a special edition of the final level 100 boss fight that you manually queue for at an NPC outside of the dungeon. It requires a premade group and you then use your tokens to specify the difficulty. The new deep dungeon in 7.35 will be the same model as all of the previous versions.

If the new system works well for this fight, they will look at adding it to the future fights. Thats the official line but they are already fully commited to Quantum, what they will do with our input is tuning. They are going to use it heavily in 8.x as a way to reduce operational costs for the game.

Consider this a preview, nothing more.

[Striker44]

How bout checking Primal and Dynamis which are pretty dead??


EDit: That being said, is the game in a bad spot? No. On the other hand, it is not in a good spot either, especially with the latest census out and how abysmal OC and FT rates are.

Dynamis pretty much never was alive to begin with, and the real issue with Primal there is how the DC travel system has effectively shunted so many people to Aether even if they're based on Primal. It does reveal a problem with DC travel, but not the game's population.

If you're talking about LuckyBancho's, to me it's also jarring that the blue graph representing the new players trying the game during Dawntrail diminishes rapidly.

Not surprising...FFXIV is over 10 years old and finished it's main story arc. How many gamers that are potentially interested in a game like FFXIV but haven't ever tried it are actually left? At some point, there just isn't really a pool of "new blood" left.

as if losing interest from hundred thousand players that was thrown at you for free is any signs pointing toward your game is (un)healthy has been laughably depressing.

It's just the sensible, logical approach. People who were "thrown at you for free" but aren't at all your intended audience just aren't going to stay unless you radically, fundamentally change your game...in which case, most of them will probably still leave, and you'll also have alienated a huge portion of your intended playerbase in the process. Games have intended audiences; changing your game to suit other people is what is ultimately unhealthy.

We were never going to keep those players anyway so even attempting to do anything at all is completely futile something something or some such

You don't have to like reality, but it doesn't make it any less real.

[Supersnow845]

We have lost so many people from the peak of the exodus we are genuinly at a level of players that an absolute radical top down change of the game for the benefit of the so called “no chance of staying” that may have been to the detriment of the existing players may have actually led to us having more players right now

Abandoning the exodus players has done nothing but led to them all abandoning the game AND the game can’t even hold onto the players it abandoned the exodus players to try to keep

[Infindox]

I wish the new deep dungeon had the Quantum system in it but it is not. The Quantum system is for a special edition of the final level 100 boss fight that you manually queue for at an NPC outside of the dungeon. It requires a premade group and you then use your tokens to specify the difficulty. The new deep dungeon in 7.35 will be the same model as all of the previous versions.

If the new system works well for this fight, they will look at adding it to the future fights. Thats the official line but they are already fully commited to Quantum, what they will do with our input is tuning. They are going to use it heavily in 8.x as a way to reduce operational costs for the game.

Consider this a preview, nothing more.

Yes and no, the new deep dungeon, iirc, you are able to use matched parties the whole way down to the bottom, which we have not been able to do for any of the other versions. It's not the Quantum system, but they did say if it went well, they would update the other DDs with it.