Limit housing bids for FCs

[Toutatis]

1-2-5 man FC's first off you need a minimum of 4 members to bid so those 1 -2 -3 man FC's can't even bid.

4 members which can be 4 characters from the same account and not 4 distinct accounts. All that is needed is a friend or a temporary 2nd account to invite alts.

SE would avoid a lot of that BS and ease the demand if they allowed the sharing of private houses with alts and added a chest to share things. It's possible to have complete strangers as tenants but not alts which is stupid.

The only way to share between alts is by making an fc which also comes with additional perks, especially if you get a house (fc chest which is in itself a desirable feature even without a house; workshops if people care about that; GC bonuses; quick, direct and cheap travel to access to vendors, retainers, armoire, aesthetician, menders, gardening for all, lutilities with bonuses for leveling DoH; market board without crowd noise as well as - for fans of decorating - fc rooms without the risk of someone kicking people out, etc. )

[BloodiedTongues]

So my FC is at gil cap. We're actually about to be there twice, out of sheer spite, because we keep losing bids. We've got a lot of omnicrafters. We've worked hard to earn this gil, and we've been hyper-vigilant about bidding on FC only plots in hopes of grabbing up a plot and freeing up our current one for someone to use. We're 40-60 people, depending on how badly Square Enix decides to make their expansions. There have been points where we've bid on FC exclusive plots (we won't bid on personal/FC combos out of principle–) with 25-30 tickets and STILL SOMEHOW LOST to Suzy Subs-a-lot and her 5 man FC (mostly made of the world's most obvious alts.) Months will go by and nothing will be done with the plot, time passes, and those of us playing the game through massive content droughts get to watch the whole thing rot.

I commend you for being at Gil Cap. I don't deny the effort you and your FC have put into trying to get a plot, but it proves my point with what you've said. I think it's disheartening from both sides. If you're people who've put in the effort to get a house, whether it's large or small, I still think limiting it to 1-2 people per FC would give people a fair chance to get it.

At what point are big, active FCs supposed to cater to someone who grabbed a bunch of their alts and decided to make a group just to bid on a large that's mostly empty to begin with? How is that fair to the people who've put in the effort? Why punish bigger groups of people just because you can't get the numbers out to place more bids?

Even if it is an FC comprised of only alts, they can still sway the overall unfair bid. I don't condone alt-based FCs behaving like this either, because it still counts towards swaying a bid.

There are people out there with 1 man, 2 man, 5 man FCs and you're out here pointing blame at people with the time, effort, and money to place multiple bids? You're ON MATEUS – I know you know about Main Ward 12 of the Goblet – and here you are pointing the finger at people who have put in significant effort to get the resources needed to put out multiple bids?

And you're saying that smaller FCs haven't put in significant effort to get the Gil they need to bid either? Yes, I am on Mateus, as are you, and we regrettably both have to fight tooth and nail to get a plot. I also don't understand the reference to the Goblet, nor do I really think it was a necessary inclusion. Regardless, you can have two people or forty people who've worked for the Gil; they want to bid for a house, but just swaying a bid feels gross on either end. It can be disheartening if you're a big FC to lose a spot to a smaller one, but it is also equally disheartening if you're a small FC that's put in the effort equally as much just to see a veritable flood of people who already own an FC house to claim it

[NanaWiloh]

2 or 40 people don't really matter cause as bidders stack up your odds drop like dead flies. If you are chasing a large or Medium your begging for disappointment has they are always going to have the highest number of bidders.

[Crafoutis]

So my FC is at gil cap. We're actually about to be there twice, out of sheer spite, because we keep losing bids.

At gil cap, you could recruit an awful lot of people to put in an awful lot of bits for your FC.

[BloodiedTongues]

At Gil Cap, you could recruit an awful lot of people to put in an awful lot of bits for your FC.

They already said they did that with up to 25-30 of their members bidding, but have lost to smaller fcs, which (granted, I am biased, considering my post's content to begin with) is entirely unfair to do, especially since they said they already own a house but want to move.

[Crafoutis]

They already said they did that with up to 25-30 of their members bidding, but have lost to smaller fcs, which (granted, I am biased, considering my post's content to begin with) is entirely unfair to do, especially since they said they already own a house but want to move.

They are being dishonest then, 25-30 people bidding against 'smaller FC's' and losing? For months? How small are these FC's? 4 people? 20 people?

They're either being hyperbolic or they're lying, it's one of the two.

[NanaWiloh]

They are being dishonest then, 25-30 people bidding against 'smaller FC's' and losing? For months? How small are these FC's? 4 people? 20 people?

They're either being hyperbolic or they're lying, it's one of the two.

Yes its possible same way people who buy multiple lotto tickets a month win nothing, just for joe nobody to buy one ticket and suddenly win millions.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

One issue i've found (more-so lately with the influx of houses available on NA worlds) is that FC bids can be swayed severely in favour of a free company when 20+ people from one FC bid on one plot.

Whilst I understand everyone gets a chance to bid on a property, Free Companies using their entire FC to bid on one plot is just entirely unfair. Watching crowds of one FC just making the lotto numbers shoot up is just awful.

Limiting it to one or two people per FC being able to bid on an FC-Exclusive plot would make it far more fair, as the housing system is already like pulling hen's teeth to even get a plot.

Limit the bids, introduce new subdivisions and wards, let people have a chance.

No, if they have more members to bid and win then good for them. It means that potentially large plot will serve more people and that's a good thing with the current scarcity.

[Rolks]

I'm going to have to disagree with this argument purely by stating the obvious opposite argument.

If your suggestion is entertained, then we will start having large FCs coming in here complaining that they have 30, 40, 100 man FCs that are constantly losing to 4 man FCs and how unfair that is. That they should be allowed to bid with all of their active members, and that allowing some small 4 man FC to have the same bidding power is unfair when they have 100 active members daily who have no house to hang out at.

The truth of the matter is, Carfoutis's argument is the better argument. Benefiting 100 people is a better net result than benefiting 4.

(As a related note, I notice a LOT of arguments on this housing forum are made by people that want changes that specifically benefit just them, but when analyzed as a whole, would hurt the large majority of player base. No change should ever be made that benefits a small number of people while hurting a much larger percentage of people. This suggestion is just another like that.)

[Crafoutis]

Yes its possible same way people who buy multiple lotto tickets a month win nothing, just for joe nobody to buy one ticket and suddenly win millions.

Not at all the same probabilities.