New Relic step is great

[Jason_Ashford]

This relic weapon step is good. I don't know why people are complaining.

It's easy enough to gather the first few materials. It barely costs anything on the marketboard with how much people are making. The 300k gil item is barely a gil sink. Gil is pretty much worthless in this game unless you: own a house and are decorating it or are doing week 1 raiding and are paying someone for armor.

The roulette step afterwards is nice. I do wish there was an alternative method in OC especially with the upcoming phantom jobs but I still do my roulettes daily (albeit I don't do high level dungeons this gives me proper incentive to do them) so this works out fine for me. I don't need the weapon asap. It'll be something that completes itself in 10 or so days. Part of me almost wishes that the roulette step was required for each weapon but afiak it goes to the 1.5k tomestone after this, which is a nice for subsequent weapons.

I'm not sure what people expect. Devs can't seem to win. Either there is no grind or it's too grindy. The only bad thing is this step is missing inclusion with OC.

Because they simultaneously want something challenging, but only in the things they want. They asked for something harder and the devs delivered, so now they are complaining that it's not fair and it is too hard because they neglect crafting/gathering and how dare Squeenix try and make them do content. (that last bit was sarcastic).

The devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Nothing they do or add is ever good enough for some of these people and the ones who act the part of contrarians are often the loudest minority on the forum and on social media.

[Stasya]

Setting aside the rest of your post for for a moment i want to address why grinding tomes when you come back for more relic weapons is completely fine.

it's not boring, that's the best QoL change they ever made to relic farming. We get the sort of challenge for the relic grind that people crave, but repeats are streamlined through the use of tomestones, so people don't have to invest serious time into grinding for a second, third, forth, etc. relic weapon. I know of several people who consistently grind for EVERY relic in each expansion and i can only imagine that not needing to spend 3 million gil and weeks upon weeks of light farming on 20+ jobs is a godsend.

It's not, there should be a way to either to not do boring tome grind or buy with tomes. Calling this a qol is just trying to appease lazy as hell devs. Step 1 is same thing, can't farm anything in OC.

[Jason_Ashford]

It's not, there should be a way to either do not do boring tome grind or buy with tomes. Calling this a qol is just trying to appease lazy as hell devs. Step 1 is same thing, can't farm anything in OC.

if we didn't have the tomestone grind, you would be complaining that it's not fair to force people to grind for weeks on end for light, or spend 300k+ gil on materials every time they reach this step.

WHAT exactly are you looking for in terms of relic content? because all i'm hearing is complaints and no realistic ideas.

[Supersnow845]

if we didn't have the tomestone grind, you would be complaining that it's not fair to force people to grind for weeks on end for light, or spend 300k+ gil on materials every time they reach this step.

WHAT exactly are you looking for in terms of relic content? because all i'm hearing is complaints and no realistic ideas.

Having the relics be a Gil sink would ironically be fantastic

This game has too much Gil and not enough uses for it

[Dastan]

It's not, there should be a way to either to not do boring tome grind or buy with tomes. Calling this a qol is just trying to appease lazy as hell devs. Step 1 is same thing, can't farm anything in OC.

Okay, so let's take a look at the ARR relics. Guess what? There's an RNG FATE grind, and oh....looks like you need tomestones to buy the mist and enchanted ink? And then after that? A dungeon farm for light. You then got the books, then have to either craft or buy the mats from the MB.

If we take away the tomestone thing on the new relic for a moment and just put the mat as an RNG drop in dungeons or FATEs, would that make a difference or is it the exact same thing? Oh yeah, there's also a step where you have to shove a bunch of materia in your weapon.

[Jason_Ashford]

Having the relics be a Gil sink would ironically be fantastic

This game has too much Gil and not enough uses for it

yes, but gil sinks should be along the lines of the golden mounts, or housing. extravagant things that cater to the super wealthy players. we shouldn't penalize the players on the other side side of the spectrum who have very little gil.

[Stasya]

Okay, so let's take a look at the ARR relics. Guess what? There's an RNG FATE grind, and oh....looks like you need tomestones to buy the mist and enchanted ink? And then after that? A dungeon farm for light. You then got the books, then have to either craft or buy the mats from the MB.

If we take away the tomestone thing on the new relic for a moment and just put the mat as an RNG drop in dungeons or FATEs, would that make a difference or is it the exact same thing? Oh yeah, there's also a step where you have to shove a bunch of materia in your weapon.

So i say "lets have a choice to buy relic with 1500 of tomes or have a way to grind it elsewhere like OC". Your chat4pt response is basically "nooooo don't take away tomestone step".

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Are we at the point where forking out 300k gil counts as 'rich person thing'-thing only? Or what am I missing here? That's literally about 3-4 days of doing full suite of roulettes, assuming you don't spend unwisely + it's just one-time.

The crafting is also barely any harder than your standard 7.2 MRs. At this point of the patch you could probably shout in main cities "I got the mats, can somebody craft these for me?" if you're hell bent on not willing to raise DoH/L.

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On the topic of step enjoyment... now that I've let the steps sink in for a bit, I can safely say that I'm mostly ambivalent with 2nd step. It's a bit better than the 2.0 tome weapon route they took for Manderville - stress on 'a bit'. Because at the end of the day, I think my personal issues are mostly compounded by the fact that none of my jobs that I play are particularly fun in any contents that's not styled like Eureka/BSF.

If jobs are more fun, I think I could even stomach garbage RNG bs that has no bad luck proof.

[hydralus]

yes, but gil sinks should be along the lines of the golden mounts, or housing. extravagant things that cater to the super wealthy players. we shouldn't penalize the players on the other side side of the spectrum who have very little gil.

There should be gil sinks for everyone. But yeah maybe what they should have done was make regular people pay 300k for the step, and let the rich people pay 100 mil to skip the light farm. Now that would be an amazing gil sink.

[XtremePrime]

The crafting is also barely any harder than your standard 7.2 MRs. At this point of the patch you could probably shout in main cities "I got the mats, can somebody craft these for me?" if you're hell bent on not willing to raise DoH/L.

This!

People extremely often forget that this is still a multiplayer game. They saw a craftable item and they scoff and groan "now I gotta craft this". No you don't, you can gather the materials if you hate crafting, and if you hate gathering too you can buy the materials with the gil you get from roulettes and then get someone at the end to craft it for you, or just straight up purchase it from the MB.