New Relic step is great

[Jason_Ashford]

It's not, there should be a way to either do not do boring tome grind or buy with tomes. Calling this a qol is just trying to appease lazy as hell devs. Step 1 is same thing, can't farm anything in OC.

if we didn't have the tomestone grind, you would be complaining that it's not fair to force people to grind for weeks on end for light, or spend 300k+ gil on materials every time they reach this step.

WHAT exactly are you looking for in terms of relic content? because all i'm hearing is complaints and no realistic ideas.

[Supersnow845]

if we didn't have the tomestone grind, you would be complaining that it's not fair to force people to grind for weeks on end for light, or spend 300k+ gil on materials every time they reach this step.

WHAT exactly are you looking for in terms of relic content? because all i'm hearing is complaints and no realistic ideas.

Having the relics be a Gil sink would ironically be fantastic

This game has too much Gil and not enough uses for it

[Jason_Ashford]

Having the relics be a Gil sink would ironically be fantastic

This game has too much Gil and not enough uses for it

yes, but gil sinks should be along the lines of the golden mounts, or housing. extravagant things that cater to the super wealthy players. we shouldn't penalize the players on the other side side of the spectrum who have very little gil.

[Dastan]

It's not, there should be a way to either to not do boring tome grind or buy with tomes. Calling this a qol is just trying to appease lazy as hell devs. Step 1 is same thing, can't farm anything in OC.

Okay, so let's take a look at the ARR relics. Guess what? There's an RNG FATE grind, and oh....looks like you need tomestones to buy the mist and enchanted ink? And then after that? A dungeon farm for light. You then got the books, then have to either craft or buy the mats from the MB.

If we take away the tomestone thing on the new relic for a moment and just put the mat as an RNG drop in dungeons or FATEs, would that make a difference or is it the exact same thing? Oh yeah, there's also a step where you have to shove a bunch of materia in your weapon.

[Stasya]

Okay, so let's take a look at the ARR relics. Guess what? There's an RNG FATE grind, and oh....looks like you need tomestones to buy the mist and enchanted ink? And then after that? A dungeon farm for light. You then got the books, then have to either craft or buy the mats from the MB.

If we take away the tomestone thing on the new relic for a moment and just put the mat as an RNG drop in dungeons or FATEs, would that make a difference or is it the exact same thing? Oh yeah, there's also a step where you have to shove a bunch of materia in your weapon.

So i say "lets have a choice to buy relic with 1500 of tomes or have a way to grind it elsewhere like OC". Your chat4pt response is basically "nooooo don't take away tomestone step".

[Dastan]

So i say "lets have a choice to buy relic with 1500 of tomes or have a way to grind it elsewhere like OC". Your chat4pt response is basically "nooooo don't take away tomestone step".

There will be complaints no matter what. It seems like they really looked at ARR relics because "That's what people wanted" and put that into Dawntrail. Yet, the complaints are still there. This is why I say they can't win. People forgot what grinding in ARR was like.

Also lol thinking I'm using chatgpt because you can't fathom anyone genuinely enjoying the game at this point. Very dismissive and not constructive.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Are we at the point where forking out 300k gil counts as 'rich person thing'-thing only? Or what am I missing here? That's literally about 3-4 days of doing full suite of roulettes, assuming you don't spend unwisely + it's just one-time.

The crafting is also barely any harder than your standard 7.2 MRs. At this point of the patch you could probably shout in main cities "I got the mats, can somebody craft these for me?" if you're hell bent on not willing to raise DoH/L.

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On the topic of step enjoyment... now that I've let the steps sink in for a bit, I can safely say that I'm mostly ambivalent with 2nd step. It's a bit better than the 2.0 tome weapon route they took for Manderville - stress on 'a bit'. Because at the end of the day, I think my personal issues are mostly compounded by the fact that none of my jobs that I play are particularly fun in any contents that's not styled like Eureka/BSF.

If jobs are more fun, I think I could even stomach garbage RNG bs that has no bad luck proof.

[XtremePrime]

The crafting is also barely any harder than your standard 7.2 MRs. At this point of the patch you could probably shout in main cities "I got the mats, can somebody craft these for me?" if you're hell bent on not willing to raise DoH/L.

This!

People extremely often forget that this is still a multiplayer game. They saw a craftable item and they scoff and groan "now I gotta craft this". No you don't, you can gather the materials if you hate crafting, and if you hate gathering too you can buy the materials with the gil you get from roulettes and then get someone at the end to craft it for you, or just straight up purchase it from the MB.

[Supersnow845]

Genuinely what are people actually willing to spend Gil on?

Like if you are whining about wanting to spend Gil on a relic what are you willing to spend Gil on

[BokoToloko]

Tomestones for weapons after the "hard" step is fine by me. Not that there is much use for them, unless you count the Mason's Abrasives for 7.3 crafter gear.

Making subsequent weapons simple to get is healthy overall because we're talking about 21 weapons and, in the future, there will be more jobs and, thus, more relic weapons per expansion and more time sink.

What I do wish is that we could get an improved armoire where we can dump all the completed relic weapons because it's either deleting them or them taking unnecessary space. And I'm not keen for either. But, alas, the item systems is still as flawed as ever.