Housing is the biggest load of crap

[s32ialx]

Let him be.
I got a large plot.

Oh i'm not mad at him.

Also I'm a woman, even if I had a dick I'd still be a woman, don't assume gender ya'll used They/Them perfectly fine until that point don't get all transphobic now and start assuming gender/sex. Even a transgirl with a MASSIVE one still would not compare to the size of your twos egos.

[Solowing]

Also I'm a woman, even if I had a dick I'd still be a woman, don't assume gender ya'll used Them perfectly fine until that point don't get all transphobic now and start assuming gender/sex. Even a transgirl with a MASSIVE one still would not compare to the size of your twos egos.

Did you just try to turn this into a transphobia issue....?

How did we get to this?

[s32ialx]

Let him be.
I got a large plot.

Oh i'm not mad at him. I'm not even defending my liking for the world system right now.

All i'm doing is telling them the day we got apts, the "not enough housing" complaints stopped holding water due to apts being considered housing.

I haven't defended the ward system for the last several posts xD all im simply saying is that their argument was neutralized when they implemented apartments due to the technicality of the language.

Am I saying something wrong? I'm not getting any counter argument just insults.

Did you just try to turn this into a transphobia issue....?

Oh sorry was it I who just went off rail and started assuming you were both a male?

[Solowing]

Oh sorry was it I who just went off rail and started assuming you were both a male?

I've been called a female few times by accident. I don't really pay that much attention to it.

Honestly stuff, I don't really care what gender you see me as that's not really important.It's what you're saying i'm more interested in. So if im referred to as male or female interchangeably, it doesn't matter. Understand it's not done out of malice. And for that i see no reason to get upset over it.

I disagree with you on this subject but i'm trying to take you in good faith. Save the transphobia accusation for the actual transhobes.

[Divinemights]

Did you just try to turn this into a transphobia issue....?

How did we get to this?

I am speechless.
Last time I checked, this is a forum discussion between forum avatars.
This seems like a poor attempt to rage-bait by throwing transphobia into the mix.

[s32ialx]

You can claim to be the “Queen of the Universe” if you want
I couldn’t care less.
This discussion is between forum avatars.
My statements have always been natural, professional, and grounded in observation.
You’re the one getting enraged because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

You keep insisting your tone is "natural and professional", yet you've repeatedly mocked my understanding, questioned my age, and now you're trivializing my credentials as if they're imaginary. That's not professionalism, it's passive dismissal.

This isn't about being the "Queen of the Universe”. It's about being a paying player with valid concerns, just like thousands of others who've voiced similar frustrations. You can reduce this to "forum avatars” if it helps you sleep at night, but behind every post is a real person investing time, money, and energy into a game they care about.

And no, I'm not enraged because your opinion doesn't fit my narrative. I'm frustrated because you keep dodging the actual issue: the housing system is broken for a large portion of the player base. You've benefited from it, and that's great for you. But dismissing the struggles of others as emotional or invalid just because they challenge your comfort zone? That's not grounded observation. That's selective empathy.

If you truly want a "professional” discussion, start by acknowledging that your experience isn't universal, and that listening to others doesn't mean losing an argument. It means growing the conversation.

I am speechless.
Last time I checked, this is a forum discussion between forum avatars.
This seems like a poor attempt to rage-bait by throwing transphobia into the mix.

Also if this is a discussion between forum avatars, than why would you not use the gender of the avatar, it's stupidly easy to tell the different between a male Ra and a female Ra just on horn size/shape alone not counting the shape of the face and scales.

I've been called a female few times by accident. I don't really pay that much attention to it.

Honestly stuff, I don't really care what gender you see me as that's not really important.It's what you're saying i'm worried about. So you can call me male or female interchangeably.It doesn't matter.

Totally worth it, if you wanna stay neutral stay neutral don't assume.

[Solowing]

Totally worth it, if you wanna stay neutral stay neutral don't assume.

Youre caught up on language, and trying to police it. I don't really care what you are. If I misgendered you I am sorry. But im likely going to make that mistake in the future as I use him as just a default all compassing term. Like calling you "Bro". Doesn't really matter if youre male or female its kinda a all encompassing word.for like referring to "you" regardless of the gender, gender orientation, or gender identity.

But for your statement of the housing system is broken. If it works exactly how they're intending it to is it really broken? Again, 100% agree with you.They need to be more wards and increasing in items slots multiple layout and all those goodies.

But the way I see how it's going to get fixed is more top down. As imo i feel the apartment should be the entry level of housing. You give the plots the layout options, then increase the size of apt to small interior. You push the plots forward and increase the minimum standard for apts without infringing on the plots.

That would be an improvement to apt standards while still having the plots be more appealing. It is improving the system but in a different direction then your idea and doesnt require a system teardown. It's been clear to me for a very long time getting a plot is just another carrot on a stick that contains a hook built from your own investment in it.

This is just how the system seems presented as to me.

I'm not necessarily defending the system I'm asking you.Why would they want to change it?

Let's hypothetically say they did switch over to instanced. Do you not think there will be any ramifications for doing so? Venues might be a thing of the past, if everything's instance you're gonna need to find a way to locate somebodys plot. Will it be friends list limited? Do you have to be online for it to appear? I like waltzing in random people's plots from time to time and I cant do that in a instanced system. And id rather not lose that aspect. (Im defending the ward system here)

When its swapped over to instanced, you think they are just going to let the income evaporate? I think your idea is genuine and had good intentions. But the snorefest of a instance system that actually makes socialization events more difficult isnt something I want.

I'm not trying to stop you from getting a plot.Actually i'm trying to encourage you to get one. It's not gatekeeping, its enjoying a particular facet of having a neighborhood and a semi permanent location that is baked into the game. You feel apart of the game in a sense. And that is something that their hardware seems like it cant keep up with yet. But do I think the system should be scrapped because of that? No.

I see the sparks of what Yoshida was trying to do with my nearby fcs. But it's up to the players to make that work. The players need to have as much interest as those in this thread. However for the general playerbase, housing isnt as high on their priority list. The wards are an indication of that. A word for housing enthusiast , owners hangouts , and people who just like being there. The housing system would be lit!

But no, you end up with usually.Players who purchase these plots, decorate them, and move onto other content. And come back to maintain that investment until they don't.

So you have empty words but active players. Usually hanging out in limsa or the hubs. Which is why I say the housing wards situation is a reflection of player priority

If you really want to send him a message decorate whatever you can get your hands on. Don't say what you want show what you want. If apartments were maxed out, and decorated they couldnt ignore the message the players are sending. Rather then player requests may say one thing, but player activity towards it says another.

[s32ialx]

Youre caught up on language, and trying to police it. I don't really care what you are. If I misgendered you I am sorry. But im likely going to make that mistake in the future as I use him as just a default all compassing term. Like calling you "Bro". Doesn't really matter if youre male or female its kinda a all encompassing word.for like referring to "you" regardless of the gender, gender orientation, or gender identity.

Strange you used they/them for every other post until that one.

[Divinemights]

You keep insisting your tone is "natural and professional", yet you've repeatedly mocked my understanding, questioned my age, and now you're trivializing my credentials as if they're imaginary. That's not professionalism, it's passive dismissal.

This isn't about being the "Queen of the Universe”. It's about being a paying player with valid concerns, just like thousands of others who've voiced similar frustrations. You can reduce this to "forum avatars” if it helps you sleep at night, but behind every post is a real person investing time, money, and energy into a game they care about.

And no, I'm not enraged because your opinion doesn't fit my narrative. I'm frustrated because you keep dodging the actual issue: the housing system is broken for a large portion of the player base. You've benefited from it, and that's great for you. But dismissing the struggles of others as emotional or invalid just because they challenge your comfort zone? That's not grounded observation. That's selective empathy.

My tone has adjusted to your attitude
Yes, I’ve gotten a bit punchy, but I’ve still kept things civil and mannered.
That’s only because you’ve been rude from the very beginning.

I haven’t dodged anything.
You may consider the Ward system flawed, but I actually like it.
I was happy when they introduced FC rooms back when Ward plots were FC-only.
I was even happier when they later allowed Ward plots for personal ownership.
And when apartments were added as an option, that was music to my ears.

From the start, you’ve made a false assumption that I’m defending SE and immediately labeled me a “white knight.”
The truth is: not everyone cares about plot size.
A larger plot is nice to have, but it’s not a necessity.
I’m practical, and my patience and judgment have been rewarded.

As for your little game with pronouns, I’m not interested.
It’s a double-edged sword anyway; didn’t you also assume my gender?
That’s just how English writing works.
Haven’t we always referred to ships as “her” since forever?

[s32ialx]

My tone has adjusted to your attitude
Yes, I’ve gotten a bit punchy, but I’ve still kept things civil and mannered.
That’s only because you’ve been rude from the very beginning.

I haven’t dodged anything.
You may consider the Ward system flawed, but I actually like it.
I was happy when they introduced FC rooms back when Ward plots were FC-only.
I was even happier when they later allowed Ward plots for personal ownership.
And when apartments were added as an option, that was music to my ears.

From the start, you’ve made a false assumption that I’m defending SE and immediately labeled me a “white knight.”
The truth is: not everyone cares about plot size.
A larger plot is nice to have, but it’s not a necessity.
I’m practical, and my patience and judgment have been rewarded.

As for your little game with pronouns, I’m not interested.
It’s a double-edged sword anyway; didn’t you also assume my gender?
That’s just how English writing works.
Haven’t we always referred to ships as “her” since forever?

You were the one who first introduced judgmental language, telling me I was "arguing for the sake of arguing", that I needed to "run before I could walk", and that "greed gets you nowhere". That’s not civil discourse. That’s moralizing and gatekeeping. My original point was simple: players shouldn’t be forced to settle for housing they don’t want, especially after investing time and gil. You responded by implying their desires were invalid and their priorities were wrong. That’s what started this tone shift, not me.

You say you like the ward system, apartments, and FC rooms. That’s fine. But liking something personally doesn’t make it universally effective. The fact that small plots go unclaimed while mediums and larges are flooded with bids is data, not narrative. It shows a mismatch between supply and demand, something any business-minded person should recognize.

Let's be real, this conversation stopped being "civil" the moment gender assumptions entered the mix. You were using They/Them just fine until suddenly I became "him". That shift wasn't accidental, and it wasn't neutral. It was part of a broader pattern of dismissiveness that's been present since the beginning. I didn't "bring it up", you misgendered me, and I corrected you. That's not playing a game, that's asserting basic respect. If you're apologizing, fine, but don't act like I derailed the conversation by pointing out something you did. And dragging ships into it to justify the slip? That's not just irrelevant, it's deflective.

Your experience and success in the system are valid, sure. But that doesn't give you the right to dismiss others' frustration or label it as emotional. People are allowed to be upset when a system fails them, and calling that misguided is exactly the kind of gatekeeping that shuts down real discussion.

This isn't about winning. It's about being heard. And if you can't handle that without resorting to ego, assumptions, and revisionist history, then maybe it's time to ask yourself why you're really here. If you’re truly interested in dialogue, start by acknowledging that other players’ experiences are just as real as your own.