Housing is the biggest load of crap

[Solowing]

LOL they still keep coming back here to stir the pot at this point i really do hope they add housing for all so that these two can have the biggest mald/crashout for us to witness when they were proven wrong XD

The irony is i've been trying to defend my point and you're sitting here just trying to insult people but you think that's gonna help the thread? The thread got derailed 6 pages ago. This is just petty arguing at this point.

I asked you to define housing. I'm not asking for what your definition is.I'm not asking for what you think is *true housing* i'm asking you what is "considered" housing. What this game considers housing.

The issue i'm having with you is you're trying to redefine it. You simply insulting me rather than answering the question because it will not suit your narrative. Because you and I both know its a "gotcha" but thats the point.

The unfortunate reality is apartments fall under housing. And from that alone your "housing" issue got neutralized. This is not my defense for s.e. that's the answer I keep running into if I ask. It always comes down to you already.Have access to some level of housing. If you want something more then you're gonna have to bid. You are not locked out of housing.You just don't have the plot size that you want. And you can be upset over not having that plot size but once they gave us apts. The housing thread stopped being about wanting "access to" a feature and more about what youre *entitled to within that feature*. So what are we entitled to when it comes to housing is my question to you?

And you may hate that reality but they have you on technicality. I don't have to defend a system when they are using very specific language, language you'd need to take notice of.

Square is listening.They've done many housing changes due to the request of the players. Yes, even some additions that the players asked for that the players are now complaining about. (Cough* demo timer, lottery system, SSAO lighting.)

[Khryseis_Astra]

I asked you to define housing. I'm not asking for what your definition is.I'm not asking for what you think is *true housing* i'm asking you what is "considered" housing. What this game considers housing.

The issue i'm having with you is you're trying to redefine it. You simply insulting me rather than answering the question because it will not suit your narrative. Because you and I both know it’s a "gotcha" but thats the point.

So what are we entitled to when it comes to housing is my question to you?

I’ve lost track of who’s arguing what, but on this point I can help out. One, “housing” is an umbrella term, encompassing all the different things available under it. In XIV, housing includes the ability for each player to own one each of the following on a single account: Apartment, FC Room, Island Sanctuary, personal plot and an FC plot. Now what are we “entitled” to, as paying customers? One of all of those! Otherwise, we all pay the same sub for some people to get more than others.

Two, when someone complains that they can’t get a plot, it’s disingenuous to say “well you still have access to ‘housing’ because apartments exist.” Literally no one here is arguing that apartments aren’t “housing,” they’re arguing the fact that a housing PLOT (referred to by most players as a “house”) and an apartment are not equal, and that there being too few PLOTS to go around is a bad system. Especially when other MMOs either have solved this problem already with instanced housing, and XIV’s biggest competitor is preparing to do so. It’s telling that just about every bullet point in their promos was addressing something people have complained about in XIV’s system.

[ShadowyZero]

I asked you to define housing. I'm not asking for what your definition is.I'm not asking for what you think is *true housing* i'm asking you what is "considered" housing. What this game considers housing.

okay Jet i'll take "what is a house for 800" lets see a house is an area per square feet with land and usually includes but not limited too 1-4 bedrooms, 1-2 bathrooms, an one or three floor levels (main floor, basement, attic)

an "apartment" is a living "quarter" or "Dwelling" that can contain up to 2 or more rooms an 1-2 bathrooms and is defined by "studio" "condo" or by number of room spaces available an sometimes includes an outdoor loft pending on model.

so there oh king/queen of housing is that enough of an explanation for you? or do you want a full google doc spreadsheet explaining the finer intricacies of what makes a literal house different from an apartment dwelling?

should i call in an architect to educate your lost mind too your majesty?

[s32ialx]

I’m busy decorating, did you actually say something different?

I’m quite certain my first post never told anyone what to do—yet you immediately tried to shut me down.
That’s the only reason I asked whether you’re arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Get your facts straight.

At this point, whatever you say is irrelevant.
My points have already been made, and I’ve shown that being practical is the better approach.
I’m getting what I want and this week a few mid plots became available, and I’ll also be working toward upgrading my other small.

On the other hand, you’ve achieved your own goal: gathering a couple of voices that simply echo your stance.
One hides behind pretending to be “cute,” while another makes empty posts with no substance.
But you’ve clearly forgotten one critical aspect of forums: a thread dies quickly when it’s filled with only one-sided voices.
This isn’t the first time a topic like this has come up in the housing forum.
Congratulations—you’ve achieved nothing and managed to kill the thread instead.

As for me, I’ll be busy decorating and preparing for my usual slaughter in Secure.
Once again: my points have been made, and they’ve been proven.

You keep saying your points have been "proven", but repeating them louder doesn't make them universally true. You've benefited from a system that many players find exclusionary and frustrating. That's not proof of its success, it's proof of its inconsistency.

You quoted my original post as if it were some kind of gotcha, but all it did was highlight that I challenged your implication that players should settle for smalls. That's not shutting you down, it's disagreeing with your framing. Forums are for discussion, not deference.

As for your claim that I've "killed the thread", that's rich. Threads die when people stop engaging meaningfully, not when they challenge flawed systems. If anything, the fact that this thread has drawn multiple voices and perspectives shows that the issue resonates. You may not like that, but it doesn't make it irrelevant.

And while you decorate your large plot, just remember: not everyone has the luxury of bidding across multiple accounts, winning lotteries, and upgrading at will. Many players are still stuck in the cycle you've conveniently escaped, and they deserve better than condescension and dismissal.

You've made your stance clear. So have I. The difference is, I'm advocating for change that benefits everyone, not just those lucky enough to win.

Enjoy your plot. I'll keep speaking for the players still waiting for theirs.

[ShadowyZero]

The issue i'm having with you is you're trying to redefine it. You simply insulting me rather than answering the question because it will not suit your narrative. Because you and I both know its a "gotcha" but thats the point.

And you may hate that reality but they have you on technicality. I don't have to defend a system when they are using very specific language, language you'd need to take notice of.

And also let me add people are asking for more space and to choose the size of their home/house how in that head/mind of yours is that so difficult for you to understand despite countless people telling it to you numerous times lol but instead you counter with "just settle for apartments or smalls bruh. just leave your friend group, your fc, and your linkshells if ya want a house so badly duh lolz you're all just madge for not getting gud at moving servers for whut ya want haha"

and with that attitude is it any surprise that you're getting push back and clowned on? XD be for Real Solowing its beginning to sound like you just like this attention more than anything cause you keep coming back here to argue with everyone to prove a meaningless diatribe that we are all very much aware of hence why we are pushing for changes so just admit you don't like the idea of instance solo player housing with any size of choice an be about your day or admit you're the one trolling/rage baiting here to trigger the ire of everyone.

dont try to play the victim card on us now when you're the one stirring things up all the time

[Divinemights]

Two, when someone complains that they can’t get a plot, it’s disingenuous to say “well you still have access to ‘housing’ because apartments exist.” Literally no one here is arguing that apartments aren’t “housing,” they’re arguing the fact that a housing PLOT (referred to by most players as a “house”) and an apartment are not equal, and that there being too few PLOTS to go around is a bad system. Especially when other MMOs either have solved this problem already with instanced housing, and XIV’s biggest competitor is preparing to do so. It’s telling that just about every bullet point in their promos was addressing something people have complained about in XIV’s system.

This is going to be my last post on this matter, because it’s clear the other guy can’t (or won’t) read.

The issue isn’t about “plot availability” at all.
What these people want is ownership of medium and large houses and they refuse to acknowledge anything else (FC rooms, smalls, or apartments) as legitimate player housing.
That’s why they reject any narrative that doesn’t fit their own.

This whole circus only exists because someone with poor English and even worse reading comprehension decided to twist what I said.
My original statement was neutral and observational:

There is no “housing crisis.”
Small plots consistently go unbid, while all bidding activity is concentrated on mediums and larges.
That clearly shows people only want mediums and larges.

But instead of grasping that, he spun it into some nonsense argument, and he’s still running in circles.
On top of that, you’ve got one poster who keeps stirring things up just for “drama,” and another who thinks he’s being clever by throwing in shallow, snarky comments.
There’s no real drama here, and no real argument—just one guy failing at basic reading comprehension and lashing out because he doesn’t like what was said.

[ShadowyZero]

You absolutely have the right to make requests, but you should avoid the mindset that “the customer is always right.”
That mindset often ignores practicality and oversimplifies business relationships.
The customer’s voice is important, but it’s not always correct.
You’re free to express your perspective, but since this is a public forum, you will also encounter opposing viewpoints.
If you are only seeking agreement and validation, this is not the right place.
Just as the forum GM allows you to provide negative feedback, you also don’t have the right to discredit or dismiss the narratives of those who disagree with you.
That’s what freedom of speech entails—open exchange of differing opinions.

so this is totally neutral and observational right^ right?

[ShadowyZero]

and remind me DivineMights, what did the OP ask for again? what is the title of this thread? just curious cause you seem to have misunderstood or not understood the clearly "plain english" that the poster stated :P

[Solowing]

I’ve lost track of who’s arguing what, but on this point I can help out. One, “housing” is an umbrella term, encompassing all the different things available under it. In XIV, housing includes the ability for each player to own one each of the following on a single account: Apartment, FC Room, Island Sanctuary, personal plot and an FC plot. Now what are we “entitled” to, as paying customers? One of all of those! Otherwise, we all pay the same sub for some people to get more than others.

Two, when someone complains that they can’t get a plot, it’s disingenuous to say “well you still have access to ‘housing’ because apartments exist.” Literally no one here is arguing that apartments aren’t “housing,” they’re arguing the fact that a housing PLOT (referred to by most players as a “house”) and an apartment are not equal, and that there being too few PLOTS to go around is a bad system. Especially when other MMOs either have solved this problem already with instanced housing, and XIV’s biggest competitor is preparing to do so. It’s telling that just about every bullet point in their promos was addressing something people have complained about in XIV’s system.

To address what we are entitled to. Are you entitled to the feature itself or access to it? As it stands even when it comes to basic housing. There is a level 50 requirement GC Rank and gil requirement. However if they don't meet the criteria. Are they simply entitled to the feature regardless? Or is *access* to the feature enough? Like I don't do ultimate so I don't have access to.The ultimate weapons. So does my subscription inherently have less value? Or is access enough?

If you have no access to housing but you cant find a plot, apts are an alternative if you just want to participate in housing. That is a serious and honest answer to someone who wants to participate and doesnt have an apartment.

For those that do. But don't have a plot. My advice has always been to look where players aren't looking and take what they're unwilling to take.Get your foot in the door and THEN get picky. If you check in Renoa's thread there is a player who didnt want a plot because it was small and they were too good for it. They rather have nothing and complain about not having anything. And all that did was further entrenched me and in believed in already.There isn't a housing crisis. Players are just picky. Some sre upset me for my own advice and getting two plots out of it. For when I offer them the same advice. It's a problem? It's a luck system but you can increase your chances by playing it smart.

Again everybody keeps talking about stores galaxys player housing system. But where is star wars galaxies? I hear the same about wildstar. Where is Wildstar? Everybody's talking about what's WoW going to do. I don't care until WOW does it. Im not taking them at face.value, they can *say* whatever they want. I want to *see* the results

(I like your idea of just throwing a plot on island sanctuary and being done with it, but keeping the ward system intact. But even then would that be available for the start? Or would you have to level island sanctuary which makes it "access" and not something you are entitled to.)

[Khryseis_Astra]

Access meaning one fulfills the requirements and can straight up go get it once they’ve done so, not “enter a lotto and if luck is in your favor you’ll get one.”

As for Divinemights summation that people are complaining about really wanting medium and large when smalls go unwanted, I live on a highly populated DC. Smalls don’t get passed up here, and I know some unfortunate souls who have lost their every lotto attempt even for those. The competition will only increase once interior size change comes out.

Bottom line there should be enough supply for everyone, and there isn’t. People are complaining to try to change that, because this is where SE wants us to put our feedback. There are a number of ways they could address that, but adding an instanced option would solve both supply and size issues.