Housing is the biggest load of crap

[s32ialx]

I thought my I posted earlier on this thread. But yeah that's what it pretty much comes down to.

The best way to get ahead in the system they're proposing is to simply not bid on anything except the larges to not get de-prioritized. Fc owners would also be automatically de-prioritized than the system trying to get a personal

exactly why should they have any priority just cause they want to move they are lucky to already have a place it's awefuly selfish to feel that they deserve the change to make it even harder for people who are first times to get a house, FC bids would behave differently in that it would be weather the FC currently has a house not the individual that is bidding on behalf of the FC

[Solowing]

exactly why should they have any priority just cause they want to move they are lucky to already have a place it's awefuly selfish to feel that they deserve the change to make it even harder for people who are first times to get a house, FC bids would behave differently in that it would be weather the FC currently has a house not the individual that is bidding on behalf of the FC

So IMO. How it would go down.

Not a doubt in my mind quite a few players would demolish their small/mediums in that first wave to not get de-prioritized to have the best chance. Mansion bids are going to SKYROCKET.



Best of luck chancing those odds.

[Rinoa_353]

So IMO. How it would go down.

Not a doubt in my mind quite a few players would demolish their small/mediums in that first wave to not get de-prioritized to have the best chance. Mansion bids are going to SKYROCKET.





Best of luck chancing those odds.

Which goes back to the original problem of having too many bids for those precious mansions, all of those people that demolish their plots will be sorely disappointed when dozens of others had the same idea as them to prioritize them and they now lost their plots to others that won their relinquished plots. The only solution that preserves the ward system (I like it) would be what WoW is going to do would be to add a dynamic system that adds wards as needed.


If that is too data intensive for the servers of this game, they could have it where the existing wards are permanent and you have to keep up with your sub like currently to be in the ward. If you don't, your home gets put into an inactive list so it's never demolished and you would be reduced to a small instance with your plot and would have to use the lotto system to get a place in a ward spot again. So basically have the existing system of the auto demolition but instead of demolishing inactive player homes many worked hard to decorate would just be sent to an instance so it doesn't use system resources until the player returns and logs in. So homes in this small instance would act like your Island Sanctuary where you would have to be online to have people visit you if they want to preserve the ward system as a premium housing feature. But I would support a system where everyone on your friendlist is able to visit that small instance your home is in any time whether you're online or not, you'll just not have the luxury of your home being seen by everyone like they are in the existing wards.

[Tyintheron]

Having a pity system just doesn't work, unfortunately.

Imagine that one of those people who own an entire ward of 60 houses places a bid on a single Large. They win it on one character, but then their other 59 characters get a stacking higher chance at the next Large because they lost.

Now imagine that there are the (fairly standard) rounds where a rare Large comes up for bidding, and it has 173 bidders on it. One person wins, and you and 172 others now have "the same chances" on the next one. That means that, if all those people bid on a Large every single bidding round, one of those people will be waiting roughly 4 years and 3 months to get their house, even with stacking pity.

That's still really, really bad.

As for the whole "higher chance for people who don't own a house" - the one REAL advantage of the current system is that it's just flat-out random. It's unequivically "fair."

When you start adding terms and conditions to that system, though, people are going to game it - in this case, probably meaning half-empty wards because people are waiting for a Large to free up and bid on (along with the other 172 other homeless-but-could-have-bid-on-an-unopposed-small people). And the idea that someone should be punished - essentially have their already-rare chance at a Large invalidated - because they bought a house 6 years ago when a small was "all they could get" seems, again, arbitrarily punishing.

It really seems like people are wanting more control over the system than they have now, which was kind of the argument from changing away from it previously - it wasn't flat-out statistically "fair," but it at least rewarded either luck or outright effort.

The no-brainer solution right now still seems to be to just allow housing on Island Sanctuary while maintaining and expanding on the existing ward system. That way people can choose whatever method/style of housing they prefer, and have a housing plot be guaranteed on their island in the "worst case" scenario ("worst case" in this case meaning someone who wants a plot in a ward, but can't get one).

[ShadowyZero]

well alot of us REALLY would like a fully instanced area for ourselves put certain "people" around here dont want us to have that even though every other game under the sun an moon already has such a system do you hear those people complaining about not having a house? no? okay then so lets either get pity system for the awful rng bs or give us instanced housing already those to me seem the only viable solutions to this annoying griefing tactic of a crap house system

[Shistar]

well alot of us REALLY would like a fully instanced area for ourselves put certain "people" around here dont want us to have that [...]

It's Yoshida. He's the one who has always pushed for the ward system, because it's what he likes and wants in his game. The rest of us are stuck playing by the rules... or finding alternatives in other games to fill the gaps.


I understand your frustration, I really do. Everyone who has a house has had to go through the lottery system or worse to get what they have, and countless others have given up in the process. I hope you get a plot you really like soon, don't give up.


If it's something you can consider, scout the housing situation in other worlds in your DC or neighboring DCs to see if you can move somewhere with more available plots. It's not ideal if you have an FC or friends, but since nowadays everyone keeps in touch through Discord or linkshells, I promise it's not that bad. I play every week with some friends from Omega, and recently found some buddies over in another DC to do other content with. If that world is new or preferred, it may even be free to move, as was my case with moving to Phantom a couple of years back.


Wishing you the best of luck.

[Tyintheron]

well alot of us REALLY would like a fully instanced area for ourselves put certain "people" around here dont want us to have that even though every other game under the sun an moon already has such a system do you hear those people complaining about not having a house? no? okay then so lets either get pity system for the awful rng bs or give us instanced housing already those to me seem the only viable solutions to this annoying griefing tactic of a crap house system

I mean, I really like the ward system as well - but I agree that the system needs a fix in some way to let it grow with server populations wanting housing. Make it feel less awful to actually get your first house, and then upgrade that house to the one you "really want." Island Sanctuary still feels like the easiest system to make that change to, because a) it already exists and b) it's already instanced.

But basically, there are always two conversations going on in any given housing thread: one is "the system is terrible, and I want it fixed so I can get a house!" - which I don't think anyone's really arguing against. The second is "the system is terrible, but it's what we have right now - so here's how you can game this bad system and get a place right away. If you don't want to do that, it's up to you."

And that last "It's up to you" part seems to get people unreasonably angry. Solowing cops it a bit too much on here - it's not their system, but pointing out that people actually DO have a choice if they want a house right away seems to have turned them into some sort of housing forum boogeyman.

All they're doing is telling you what worked for them (and several other people who lurk around the housing forums, myself included, for what it's worth). For example, about 8 years ago I shifted away from Balmung to Siren to get a first small, which I then got to upgrade to a Medium, and haven't managed to upgrade to a Large as yet.

So their advice would be my advice, as well - if you really, REALLY want a house with the next bidding cycle, you can game the system by switching servers and using the World Transfer function to still hang out with your buddies. That'll get you *a* house, probably 100% guaranteed if you're not being picky. But if you really, REALLY want a SPECIFIC house with the next bidding cycle, or want it WITHOUT moving servers, that's a tougher ask.

And that IS your choice to make - if getting any house at all seems worth those tradeoffs.

Pointing that out shouldn't be worthy of so much vitriol.

[Llamalass]

Yoshida is a terrible joke beyond his prime.

[Connor]

It’s a nice concept in theory but the overwhelming scarcity and potential for abuse (i.e whole wards owned by 1 fc, is that still a thing?) just doesn’t seem fair to me. It basically causes a divide between players who ‘have’ and ‘don’t have’, with the only determinant being random probability and not something the player has any control over. I’m extremely lucky that the server I’m on usually always has one or two S plots open because I guess it’s less populated and/or a less desirable residential district (*cough* Goblet *cough*).

At the same time though, they’ve went so far in with this concept that they effectively have no other options but to double down on it. As with many things in ffxiv, they’ve literally designed themselves into a corner lol.

[AdriaSenpai]

I mean... they could just keep adding wards as houses are purchased and let you choose the size of the house on your plot, no lotto, no pity, just purchasing. It's 2025 and they got more than enough money for server space to make it happen. Just limit houses to one per server, one per FC so people don't have 20 houses across alts and badaboom badabing, everyone is happy.