Paladin needs NO changes!

[ThurinTurambar]

Why Regen on lower levels? We have a healer for that

A) there exists content where healer is not around, or when is they arent doing a good job.
B) the 4s mit button does not feel very impactful, especially when its gauge based. It would make sense from job fantasy standpoint, resolve from holding your ground and all.
C) other tanks have meaningful/sustainable healing buttons at the level range

Just now had a stone vigil roulette where the healer was running their mp to the ground with cure III and medica, not casting regen at all. Had i not slept mobs when paladin tank died, it would have been wipe.

[Brandr]

A) there exists content where healer is not around, or when is they arent doing a good job.
B) the 4s mit button does not feel very impactful, especially when its gauge based. It would make sense from job fantasy standpoint, resolve from holding your ground and all.
C) other tanks have meaningful/sustainable healing buttons at the level range

Just now had a stone vigil roulette where the healer was running their mp to the ground with cure III and medica, not casting regen at all. Had i not slept mobs when paladin tank died, it would have been wipe.

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

[Brandr]

If your idea of fun in a trinity based MMO is to be a one man army may I suggest a single player game

Your immortality doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it can and does make other players experience worse

You're a main healer, so you know I used a hyperbole. If not played well, tanks die a lot.

[Absurdity]

If not played well, tanks die a lot.

More like exceptionally badly.
You have to really try to die as a tank nowadays, pretty much the only thing that kills you is doing a mechanic wrong in savage (but that applies to everyone equally) or not mitigating at all.

Sure, people exist that play tanks in this game like it's WoW circa 2004 where you just face tanked everything because your actual defensive abilities had 5+ minute cooldowns.
But they're not exactly the norm.

[Supersnow845]

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

Then what’s the problem with doing the same damage profile but replacing healing abilities with agro control abilities

[Carighan]

Then what’s the problem with doing the same damage profile but replacing healing abilities with agro control abilities

Nothing, though there's also no upside, assuming aggro stays trivial like now and healing also stays under-challenged as is. You cannot fix the current overly simplistic healing system on the class side. Those need extensive changes, sure. But first and foremost damage intake to the group needs to be high enough so that healers have a reason to spend much or even the majority of their GCDs on healing, and (ideally) tanks would want spend a significant portion of their GCDs on abilities that reduce damage (note: GCDs!).

Without having that, changes to the classes are pointless. They cannot achieve better gameplay, because the gameplay side of that is missing.

[Valence]

If not played well, tanks die a lot.

Do you mean at ARR level where they still aren't a one man army? In Stone Vigil and Aurum in sprout gear?

[ThurinTurambar]

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

So how is asking for a more gradual introduction of the core kit a bad thing?

I fancy myself a potd score runner, cleared on both warrior and paladin - despite giving it all, warrior easily did more than 200 more kills than paladin (difference comes in 141-200, before you kill everything on both). PotD scoring on tanks is basicly their aoe/survivability in a vacuum. Where paladin struggles for life, warrior pulls twice as big and barely breaks a sweat.
Why would you want to give sprouts a reason to play paladin when warrior is so much better on lower levels. They are better off just playing that right?

[Rithy255]

It seems everyday a new player levels PLD and thinks they know everything. You know what? It should be player etiquette to not meddle if a job is not their main!

PLD is already perfection! Chef kiss! Best bestest ever!

As a actual paladin main, who liked the job before it was turn into a samey mesh of every other tank I couldn't disagree more. Old paladin used to actually have two different combo paths where its gameplay was a lot more fun now its just press up light up buttons congrats for doing your basic 1, 2, 3! The older version also had actual room for rotational variance based on skill speed

Revert it to 6.2, Remove 2 minute meta and give it's niche skills more uses on top of that

[Brandr]

As a actual paladin main, who liked the job before it was turn into a samey mesh of every other tank I couldn't disagree more. Old paladin used to actually have two different combo paths where its gameplay was a lot more fun now its just press up light up buttons congrats for doing your basic 1, 2, 3! The older version also had actual room for rotational variance based on skill speed

Revert it to 6.2, Remove 2 minute meta and give it's niche skills more uses on top of that

Nop.
You probably aren't playing currently. Paladin hasn't been 1-2-3 since last expansion. It's one of the few jobs that the main combo is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7! And the seventh is a ranged magical attack, that you can choose between single or AOE.

Also, paladin is a reverse Red Mage: it has physical combo and a magical combo!
Perfection!