"I'm waiting until 7.3 to see if I'll quit"

[Zelda206]

Some have already quit and kept to their word; in the wake of the LL there are guaranteed to be some folks who have left before 7.3 even dropped. Doesn't mean they won't return, but there's nothing presently keeping them here. The curse of the housing plot has been lifted.

8.0 is the goalpost that has been hyped up by Yoshida in previous statements, vaguely but it's been drawn attention to. You're going to see more of the same there as it will be here, but that's the way it goes. It means there is nothing left that has been exhausted that can be looked forward to or generate interest in returning or staying. A lot of voices will be making it known how long each and every one of them intend to stay, or leave and go elsewhere. The goalpost hasn't been moved; it's that no collective represents the entirety of someone's fortitude and resilience to what they perceive is mundanity. This expansion was already the straw that broke the camel's back, so now it's a trickle-down effect of how much longer can they hold on before they decide they've waited long enough for something to excite them again (which suggests they've been waiting a pretty damn long time for something that kept them there, and which is likely not coming back). That's my interpretation of the events as they stand, and I understand their anger.

[MayuAmakura]

That is happening 'cause people still have hope that this game will become better or some content that they want will come (e.g. housing). Then they wait and wait and it's always the same story, just disappointment after disappointment. Maybe they have a friend with whom they play maps and much talk, rp, so they want to stay for them. Maybe they have housing with a friend... plenty of things to keep someone inside.

But yes eventually people will wait 8.0, see that it's bad and then we will see posts: "how long till 9.0?".

[BigCheez]

I had to log in just to be able to post this. I have quit. I'm just waiting for my sub to expire.

If anyone thinks it's going to get better in 7.3, they're out of their mind. It's one of the lightest MMO patches I've ever seen.

[Catwho]

Yeah, I don't know why everyone is expecting 7.3 to "fix the game" when no one can actually agree on what is wrong with the game to begin with.

While the forums are full of complaints that the content is too easy, out away from this echo chamber I regular run with a group of people who believe that even normal content is inaccessible to people with certain disabilities.

While the forums are full of complaints that there isn't enough content to grind, I'm a member of a dozen different Discords for the older grindy content like fishing, field operations, deep dungeons, etc.

While the forums are full of complaints about the story of 7.0 and certain characters, one of my social linkshell members (who doesn't go on YouTube, Twitch, or the official forums because she's a novelist and has no time) is a WoL/Wuk shipper. She couldn't understand the hate for a character just because people disliked the VA casting choice. Yeah, Wuk fans do exist. Just like a Pokémon, there is someone out there who ships their WoL with EVERYONE.

While the forums are full of complaints about the extended patch cycle, those of us who have been playing since 2.0 launch are all like "it has always been this way. what are you talking about?" They tacked on two extra weeks for QA, and things definitely got jacked up during COVID because no one in SE had the capacity to work from home, but the patch cycle is not substantially different from how it's been for over a decade.

All of this is to say that: If you have a specific grievance with the game that isn't Viera/Hroth hats, 7.3 probably ain't gonna resolve it.

If you're not having fun now, then let your personal house go and go take a break and come back with the new expansion like some of my college buddies will do. They'll quit for 2 years, come back two months before the new expansion drops, catch up on patch content, get a class geared for the next 10 levels, and then do the expansion with us. When they are done with the base expansion story, they quit again and go play other games while patches X.1-X.5 come out. (I was passed the FC ownership because I don't quit and I'm the anchor that holds our house down.) Sometimes specific content comes out that one of them wants to try and we'll see them hop on for a month or two, and then they go back to whatever other games they were playing or whatever other IRL thing they were doing.

[BigCheez]

While the forums are full of complaints that the content is too easy, out away from this echo chamber I regular run with a group of people who believe that even normal content is inaccessible to people with certain disabilities.

Anything that requires motor skills or reaction to stimuli will inherently be inaccessible to people with certain disabilities. It sucks but that's just how it is. Of course, game developers should do what they can to make their games accessible, but you can't use that as the barometer.

[Catwho]

Anything that requires motor skills or reaction to stimuli will inherently be inaccessible to people with certain disabilities. It sucks but that's just how it is. Of course, game developers should do what they can to make their games accessible, but you can't use that as the barometer.

There is allegedly a third party tool floating out there that does a much better job at reducing the flash!bang aspect of the game. I have no knowledge of what it does or how its doing it, , but I know that the disabled community gave up and took matters into their own hands.

The biggest problem for me personally is that the snapshot delay on mechanics has only ever gotten marginally better. Slide casting is cool, but there is no worse feeling than seeing your character get smacked 50 pixels outside of the last attack that the game believed they were standing in. Despite this, I've cleared Savage fights by being the off tank, earning me the nickname "seven stack Katarh" in one of my statics haha.

[BigCheez]

There is allegedly a third party tool floating out there that does a much better job at reducing the flash!bang aspect of the game. I have no knowledge of what it does or how its doing it, , but I know that the disabled community gave up and took matters into their own hands.

The biggest problem for me personally is that the snapshot delay on mechanics has only ever gotten marginally better. Slide casting is cool, but there is no worse feeling than seeing your character get smacked 50 pixels outside of the last attack that the game believed they were standing in. Despite this, I've cleared Savage fights by being the off tank, earning me the nickname "seven stack Katarh" in one of my statics haha.

Visual clarity in FFXIV (and other MMOs) is an issue even for people without disabilities. They could easily add an option to disable non-essential boss effects without degrading the quality of the gameplay.

Snapshotting, on the other hand, is a fundamental part of the game. A mechanic will always snapshot at the same time. It's consistent and learnable. You just need to learn when you need to be where you need to be and when you need to be there, and then be there at the correct time. Without trying to be rude, that's a skill issue.

[Mawlzy]

Visual clarity in FFXIV (and other MMOs) is an issue even for people without disabilities. They could easily add an option to disable non-essential boss effects without degrading the quality of the gameplay.

Snapshotting, on the other hand, is a fundamental part of the game. A mechanic will always snapshot at the same time. It's consistent and learnable. You just need to learn when you need to be where you need to be and when you need to be there, and then be there at the correct time. Without trying to be rude, that's a skill issue.

This is, of course, correct. But however much one develops an internal clock, it still feels janky.

[BigCheez]

This is, of course, correct. But however much one develops an internal clock, it still feels janky.

It's entirely subjective. Some people will like it, others will dislike it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no one is incorrect.

To say that it's a problem that needs to be fixed (or that it's an accessibility issue) is wrong, though.

[Mawlzy]

It's entirely subjective. Some people will like it, others will dislike it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no one is incorrect.

To say that it's a problem that needs to be fixed (or that it's an accessibility issue) is wrong, though.

Yeah, I'd agree snapshooting is not an accessibility issue. The visual clutter, on the other hand, reflects a philosophy that places aesthetics before accessibility.