Thread: "I'm waiting until 7.3 to see if I'll quit"

Originally Posted by BigCheez

Visual clarity in FFXIV (and other MMOs) is an issue even for people without disabilities. They could easily add an option to disable non-essential boss effects without degrading the quality of the gameplay.

Snapshotting, on the other hand, is a fundamental part of the game. A mechanic will always snapshot at the same time. It's consistent and learnable. You just need to learn when you need to be where you need to be and when you need to be there, and then be there at the correct time. Without trying to be rude, that's a skill issue.

This is, of course, correct. But however much one develops an internal clock, it still feels janky.

Originally Posted by BigCheez

Snapshotting, on the other hand, is a fundamental part of the game. A mechanic will always snapshot at the same time. It's consistent and learnable. You just need to learn when you need to be where you need to be and when you need to be there, and then be there at the correct time. Without trying to be rude, that's a skill issue.

Snapshotting is due to bad network handling. I have never experienced such bad delay in a game like FFXIV. Tell me another game where my shield visually applies on the target but doesn't get calculated in damage for a round trip. Many times in this game I have completed an adloqium or landed an e.diag before a killing blow, but snapshotting made the heal calculate after the killing blow. Plenty of times in this game I am literally on top of another player in a safe spot to 'die' because the server decided I was 5 yalms back instead of where my corpse is.

Any fight that has me play memory games instead of reacting to mechanics isn't something I want to do. Show me bad, I avoid given enough time. Needing to be psychic or 'study' a fight ad nauseum because the markers apparently are there as a reminder for next time not 'avoid now.' That is how your philosophy of this netcode jank being a "fundamental part" of the game and if you don't know the fights verbatim, it's somehow a skill issue. Would that be a knowledge issue, not skill? Especially for people who play (gasp) other games where their network isn't cups and string can actually respond to fights in real time.

I understand that snapshotting is done because the fight calculates where you are standing inside the game on the server side, not on the client side, to prevent hacking. Because the game itself sips data from the client side in a continuous string, the biggest cause of bad snapshotting is packet latency or loss. (This is why a good cell phone connection with low latency can be a better connection than a cable line that is running through a degraded node.)

Unfortunately, because the data center for NA is 15 hops and ~2000 miles away from the majority of the east coast NA population, ping is often trash, and one bad packet loss = you are now dead.

I don't know other people. But I will play this game until I have patience. If it runs out, I'll just uninstall it from my computer and forget this forum exists.

Still the same people complaining!

Originally Posted by bic12

Just saying. Why do I keep seeing this pushed later and later? First it was 7.0 and people seeing if the encounter design got any better. Then it was 7.2. Then it was Shades' Triangle. Now the goalpost has moved to 8.0.

Because different people have different points of no-return, and where one stopped having fun as early as 5.0, someone else stopped having fun during 7.0. And someone has fun even now.

Personally, I'll likely stay with the game until its last breath. While there are things I'm not happy with, I typically enter every expansion without hard set expectations, so I'm able to find joy even in patches of arguably questionable quality. The only time when I felt legitimate burnout was during Pagos. I also admittedly dropped some tiers in Savage, but that's less the game issue, and more so my static issue (which I left, and have no desire to join another for now).

As a mostly solo-player, I'm also not attached to the prospect of my friends or FC members not playing anymore, especially since we all have points of contact outside of the game. I am however attached to my WoL and him as my original character with his own backstory and lore, so my own character is motivation enough for me to log in, as long as the game actually works.

But that's just me, and you're unlikely to see me among those who post "I'll leave if X.X patch doesn't provide Y" comments anyway, even when I do voice my complaints (which isn't that often).

Originally Posted by bic12

Just saying. Why do I keep seeing this pushed later and later? First it was 7.0 and people seeing if the encounter design got any better. Then it was 7.2. Then it was Shades' Triangle. Now the goalpost has moved to 8.0.

Though to be fair I think a lot of people like Mao have already quit. So that's awesome. But it looks like the remaining people are like just trapped in this eternal red line shifting.

"I'm waiting until..." Bro just stop, just quit now lmao.

It's NOT GETTING BETTER lmao!

I did quit before 7.1, but returned by 7.3 just for the sake of my roleplaying community. I really get a lot of weekly fun out of that, so that's what I'm basically paying for: a platform to RP behind a popular IP.

I still do the game's content and High End (though I'm waiting for 7.4 to jump back into that, since I'm a PF raider), but if my RP group dwindles again, I'll just unsub once more.

Maybe one day XIV will be once again good enough to hold me up even when I'm not roleplaying.

I think the refusal to calmly discuss the fact DT's general difficulty being higher across the board has likely pushed out a substantial number of players is a little sad. We're all in the "hardcore" side of the player base just by being engaged enough to use the official forum, but I really think it's a problem for player retention to suddenly remove the easy mode for everyone.

There are absolutely gamers that enjoy the process of the story and fetch quests and exploration EXCLUSIVELY. FFXIV always had that until Dawntrail's demands. How many of us suddenly feel the pain of snapshotting unfairly hitting us despite what our eyes show us on screen. That's BAD.