Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

[Khryseis_Astra]

Tbh its more fault on OC game design than FT:B as a whole lmao.
Instead of having normal CLL and HARDCORE SAVAGE CLL i rather have CLL and DR(S).

So i dont agree on normal version of FT:B, because it WILL be easier by the next time we got new Phantom Jobs anyway.

What’s going to make it any easier? The 2 new jobs aren’t going to make anyone invincible. You can’t get +2 gear without doing the Tower first, outside gear isn’t going to super-power you. Then there’s the 3-rez limit and 20-some places where one person can wipe the raid, which is what makes this hard mode to begin with, and nothing we’re getting is going to counteract that.

[Iwashiwash]

What’s going to make it any easier? The 2 new jobs aren’t going to make anyone invincible. You can’t get +2 gear without doing the Tower first, outside gear isn’t going to super-power you. Then there’s the 3-rez limit and 20-some places where one person can wipe the raid, which is what makes this hard mode to begin with, and nothing we’re getting is going to counteract that.

tbf, you don't need +2 or hell even +1 gear to do the tower, all it does is just gives you some extra damage. Personally I think this raid is definitely not on savage level, feels more like extreme.

[Daralii]

tbf, you don't need +2 or hell even +1 gear to do the tower, all it does is just gives you some extra damage. Personally I think this raid is definitely not on savage level, feels more like extreme.

I would consider it a step above extreme because of the player count. It requires a minimum of 24 warm bodies, so at least 3 times as many potential points of failure.

[Khryseis_Astra]

tbf, you don't need +2 or hell even +1 gear to do the tower, all it does is just gives you some extra damage. Personally I think this raid is definitely not on savage level, feels more like extreme.

If it weren’t for both the rez limit and the plentiful wipe mechs, maybe. Those in place puts it beyond Extreme level. Plus the fact that it is an entire dungeon and not just a multi-phase boss fight to try and learn. The sheer amount of time it would require to both schedule and prog is beyond most casual players, and to me it pretty much kills any fun of it for it not to have a more relaxed, repeatable Normal mode.

[Iwashiwash]

If it weren’t for both the rez limit and the plentiful wipe mechs, maybe. Those in place puts it beyond Extreme level. Plus the fact that it is an entire dungeon and not just a multi-phase boss fight to try and learn. The sheer amount of time it would require to both schedule and prog is beyond most casual players, and to me it pretty much kills any fun of it for it not to have a more relaxed, repeatable Normal mode.

I feel like it's pretty easy to get into it casually. I know someone will probably complain but there's discords for signing up and joining when you can and learning the raid.
As for wipe mechs ya do got me there. snow/fire ball prog be a thing. I don't consider the time to be an issue tho, especially with thinking it'll take that long to schedule thanks to the discords. It's current content afterall and people will be doing it for awhile! (looking at you 100 clears title)...though maybe my opinion might be a bit skewed on that thanks to living in pf hell in general.

Keep in mind I ain't against the normal mode, it was questionable they didn't have that...but I still do think it's not that difficult, least compared to drs or savages in general.

[ACE135]

Do you think the people who are doing FT now for the 100 clears will do more runs after that to help new people or will it slowly die out after most of them are done with the achievement, at least for some time?

[Uzephi]

I think they proved that they are cappable if designing difficult/fun content with the latest savage fights etc (unless its a different team)

That misses the point. Sorry for being cryptic. I'll define a bit more. When you pick up a new game, most people won't try the hardest content first. You start with the easy stuff. Look at this game's progression. If I get bored with normal fights, what will keep me to try the harder ones? I'll just move on to a better experience. If the easy content isn't fun, no one will stick around to try the hard.

[Themarvin]

The normal mode for it IS there somewhat, but how to access and more and well the punishment of groups for 1-2 persons making a mistake, makes little sense at all for content that is supposed to be mainstream... to keep us all going for stuff as it is... and it is very frustrating with a game where you first have a better chance at stuff going with from eg. the discord servers out there.

[legg]

What’s going to make it any easier? The 2 new jobs aren’t going to make anyone invincible. You can’t get +2 gear without doing the Tower first, outside gear isn’t going to super-power you. Then there’s the 3-rez limit and 20-some places where one person can wipe the raid, which is what makes this hard mode to begin with, and nothing we’re getting is going to counteract that.

The passive 2% buff of maxing the ph job, currently its capped at 24% (12 phj) and the newer jobs will make every one of us stronger.
+2 is nice but not necesary, you could actually survive most raidwide and TB with your usual 730 gears/arcanaut by Ranger + Spread Critlo.
The 3-rez limit shouldnt be a problem since you could, like, practice the fight and try to not die the next time you alive, but the rest is not the game fault, its basic human behaviour and is expected to get mistake (and thats okay!)

[Supersnow845]

The passive 2% buff of maxing the ph job, currently its capped at 24% (12 phj) and the newer jobs will make every one of us stronger.
+2 is nice but not necesary, you could actually survive most raidwide and TB with your usual 730 gears/arcanaut by Ranger + Spread Critlo.
The 3-rez limit shouldnt be a problem since you could, like, practice the fight and try to not die the next time you alive, but the rest is not the game fault, its basic human behaviour and is expected to get mistake (and thats okay!)

TBF the +2 and the master stacks are basically irrelevant to your chance of clearing anyway because if you wipe in forked you are wiping to fire towers or holy lance or some such, not enrage

And because of the way those mechanics work they are never being made easier no matter how much gear you have because you can’t even skip them

The most use horizontal progression in forked gets you is bigger spreadlo shields but SCH is already hilariously more powerful than SGE in forked (and both are so much more useful than regen healers hosts will reorganise parties if a shield healer permanently dies)