Relic being tomestone step AGAIN is incredibly depressing

[Dranari]

The relic is meant to be a process you're doing for a whole expansion, if you are trying to rush to get every weapon as fast as possible you're going to get angry and bored real quick.

No the problem isnt "im getting bored from rushing it". The problem is that there is a very clear objectively correct way to get relics. You either rush it by doing hunt trains or you slowly get them over time with roulletes. The problem isnt that i go too quick, the problem is that i WANT to play but they just wont allow the new content to be valuable. Like i said, i played 14 hour days not because i needed to get the content done, but because i LOVE exploration zones. The issue becomes i have already finished entire OC, maxed jobs, maxed gear, only thing left is tower where im up to 3rd boss. I still want to play normal OC, but doing so is pointless when its 50x slower than any other method of getting tomestones.

[Valence]

So the best way to farm tomes/relics is to do hunt trains, and the worst way is to do OC fate trains. That's kinda ironic in a way since both are similar gameplay.

[XtremePrime]

It's to please both people, those that liked the ease of access of Endwalker relic, and those that wanted an oldschool type relic grind. This was a good idea, having to do atmas for every single relic would've been a true nightmare, especially with how unpredictable the drops are.
Getting all the atma means you went past the grind, and now can claim relics through the usual day-to-day content (roulette, OC, etc)

Roulette gives plenty of tomes to use, just play the game as normal and the relics will come.
There's quite a few more patches, and thus relics upgrades to get in the future!

[DynnDiablos]

They are never going to force people to do OC for the relic, that is why the provided options to obtain it outside of OC. Every future step is going to offer multiple ways to obtain what you need to upgrade the weapon. Also, the atma grind and range was atrocious. No one should be expected to do that for every single weapon they wish to obtain. The tombstone exchange is a compromise for after completing it once. I don't know why so many of you want busy work which is waste of people's time.

[Volgia]

No the problem isnt "im getting bored from rushing it". The problem is that there is a very clear objectively correct way to get relics. You either rush it by doing hunt trains or you slowly get them over time with roulletes. The problem isnt that i go too quick, the problem is that i WANT to play but they just wont allow the new content to be valuable. Like i said, i played 14 hour days not because i needed to get the content done, but because i LOVE exploration zones. The issue becomes i have already finished entire OC, maxed jobs, maxed gear, only thing left is tower where im up to 3rd boss. I still want to play normal OC, but doing so is pointless when its 50x slower than any other method of getting tomestones.

14 hours a day? Do you do nothing else with your life? Jeez.

No, it isn't an issue because average players aren't exhausting the content by playing like addicts, you do your roulettes and different kinds of content a day (Hunt trains, dungeons, normal raids, savage raids, some occult crescent CEs) and you're guaranteed to have enough tomes for one weapon a week.

[AvoSturmfaust]

I mean sure, but why say that "it will be tied to OC" when the relic isnt even in OC. Grinding tomestones in OC is like 50x slower than any other content in the game, that is completely insane.

Because the first step is tight too it, and so the other steps which require grinding something will be tied to it too

And im sorry to tell you it, but if you really wanna play more then 10h each day, final is not the right game for you, sadly final requires less time for daily stuff then a mobile game and that will not change in the future

[Khryseis_Astra]

They are never going to force people to do OC for the relic, that is why the provided options to obtain it outside of OC. Every future step is going to offer multiple ways to obtain what you need to upgrade the weapon. Also, the atma grind and range was atrocious. No one should be expected to do that for every single weapon they wish to obtain. The tombstone exchange is a compromise for after completing it once. I don't know why so many of you want busy work which is waste of people's time.

A grind is one thing, the RNG aspect of the Demiatma was a nightmare. I’m willing to put in a grind, but I want to see definitive progress towards my goal, not wondering when luck will put me at the finish line. Demiatma and Forked Tower issues aside, I love OC and I would hope more of the relic steps will be based in the zone. But leave the RNG BS out of it.

[IdleBlood]

14 hours a day? Do you do nothing else with your life? Jeez .

And you dont have any other thing to do instead of /laugh or /complain about others irl?

Cringe. Leave him do whatever he want. Whats the problem for you?. You dont know how is his life or circustances.

Wow average players being like that. Sad.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

At this point i'm now realising their creativity has gone out of the window. Just stick it behind an achievement, kill X FATES and don't bother trying.

On a serious note why didn't they just do the same/similar as Occult kill X OC/FATES and level up to I II II IV etc. My relic favourite is still ARR, original trials, FATES and do old content to progress (would rather this)

[TaleraRistain]

To be honest im fine with it, after all take a look at the ShB Relic,

First Step : 1k Poetics
Second Step : grind

This time they reversed, first grind then tomestone, look at anima or zodiark relics, every relic so far involved grind + tomestones, only the last one had literally 0 grind so just wait for the next step it will be again grindy

If you're looking at Zeta and anima now, then it looks like they had steps that were heavy on tomestones but at the time they were current the things you can buy now with tomestones were obtained only through other means and those tomestone options were put in later. Both of those questlines originally required a lot more interactivity with the available content.