Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Supersnow845]

Why are people using the excuse that the relic is useless to justify that it’s too much effort for the output but not the counterargument; that if the relic is useless there is no reason why you need it right now to the point you have to bang your head against the wall and make yourself frustrated to get it

The statistical chance of not having the correct atma by the time you are +12 on phantom jobs is astronomically small. And as pointed out the current relics are useless. If you aren’t enjoying getting them then just don’t get them right now. Isn’t the whole “take your time you’ll get it eventually” literally how people try to justify the tomestone relics

[Granyala]

The statistical chance of not having the correct atma by the time you are +12 on phantom jobs

Eh? I thought the Phantom Jobs can only level to 6? At least that's when the game told me it's maxed out. Oo

I think the Atma RNG is a little too much for a first step, simply because there is no bad-luck protection.
The average drop rate is fine but said average might not apply to an individual player. Keep in mind: if sth. has the chance of 1 in a million, with millions of players some people WILL be affected by said scenario. IMHO game design MUST account for that.

You are absolutely correct, that if the RNG grind bothers people, they can and should just wait for a nerf.
SE WILL nerf this precisely because it is the first step. Put your legs up and use the tome weapon in the mean time.

[RenegadeInferno]

Eh? I thought the Phantom Jobs can only level to 6? At least that's when the game told me it's maxed out. Oo

Correct, well, depending on job.

They mean when you have all 12 Phantom Jobs at their respective max level.

[Granyala]

Correct, well, depending on job.
They mean when you have all 12 Phantom Jobs at their respective max level.

Ah.. okay. That makes sense.

But that fails to account for a large part of the playerbase that has no actual interest in either: the phantom jobs or the tower (the only place where they are needed). Many a player will just go in there because he wants the relic. Like me, for instance.

I leveled Monk to max and the basic tank one to 5. Both jobs are like SUPER uninteresting. Their skills don't do much. No clue about the others but given the amount of time it takes to level even one of these .... yah. Not going to bother.

That grind is WAAAAAAAAAAY overcooked, to the degree that I don't think it is SE's intention that the average player levels all of them.

[Supersnow845]

Ah.. okay. That makes sense.

But that fails to account for a large part of the playerbase that has no actual interest in either: the phantom jobs or the tower (the only place where they are needed). Many a player will just go in there because he wants the relic. Like me, for instance.

I leveled Monk to max and the basic tank one to 5. Both jobs are like SUPER uninteresting. Their skills don't do much. No clue about the others but given the amount of time it takes to level even one of these .... yah. Not going to bother.

That grind is WAAAAAAAAAAY overcooked, to the degree that I don't think it is SE's intention that the average player levels all of them.

But that’s the point I’m making. The relics are useless in their current state and won’t be updated for ages. Why do you need them now? Grind them at your own pace when you feel like doing OC or Fates. If you never feel like doing the content that drops relic materials then you just don’t get the relic. That’s how every relic except EW worked

[MicahZerrshia]

Eh? I thought the Phantom Jobs can only level to 6? At least that's when the game told me it's maxed out. Oo.

I think they meant getting all 12 phantom jobs to cap, + being the freelancer, since it said getting +12 on phantom jobs and not +12 on all phantom jobs.

But I am not fate farming all those jobs up when there is absolutely no need to do so since Forked Tower, the only place they really matter, is a complete bust. I just want my demimateria so I can get my weapon and call it a day. Phantom Jobs are essentially meaningless with the current state of OC.

[Valence]

If you aren’t enjoying getting them then just don’t get them right now.

I mean to be fair, I'm complaining because I want the content those relics do require to be content that I enjoy doing. I'm pretty sure you'd be complaining about it too if you didn't like it.
It's not really rocket science in a way. I don't like it, my feedback is that I don't like it, and want something else instead. If it conflicts with what other players want out of it, then arguments will ensue, unfortunately.