Occult crescent feels safe and mid

[Misutoraru]

Society Quests, Mandervillous relics, DoH/DoL stuff, Island Sanctuary, V&C Dungeons. Even Raid and Trials farm could easily fall in that category. Even Shared Fates don't take really that long.

There has always been plenty of casual grinds. If anything, casual grinds do seem to tend to get the bigger appeal when about the short life expentancy of the game's contents (which sounds exactly the opposite of what people who like long grinds want). Let those who like running the treadmill have their (optional btw) piece of the cake instead of pushing away other people's niche until they're back to only getting obscure achievements that come from even more repetitive tasks than Occult Crescent is.


And regarding Phantom Job's deal... Yeah, that's about as I expected. Some phantom actions seem interesting to use but, without the chance to customize the job actions, it's bound to get stale. But there is always the possibility that they bring that possibility with Phantom Mimic, though it would've been better by now, as it would further incentivize leveling up as many PJ's as possible.

Overall I don’t mind the “ARR” pace of slow grind, but the RNG base. Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

[AmiableApkallu]

Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

It's funny that you should mention EX farms, because they have no "guarantee" on release. If you want the mount on release, you roll the dice with RNG until you get it. If you're willing to wait, then you wait for a later patch where they increase the drop rate and/or add the token exchange.

It wouldn't surprise me if demiatma work out in similar fashion: If you want them now, then be prepared to put in some time. If you're willing to wait, then you wait for a later patch where SE, will, inevitably nerf the drop rate.

[BokoToloko]

Overall I don’t mind the “ARR” pace of slow grind, but the RNG base. Some kind of “guarantee” would be great like EX farm, or at least the more FATE/CE and not getting a drop, the increase chance of drop (eventually 100%) and reset once a drop happen would be appreciated.

And how is a slow grind with a more reliable drop rate less of a thing for people with enough free time? You will still have to apply about the same time to grind the atmas, only in a more consistent manner.

If you want a more consistent grind, by all means, so do I. Feels better if you can measure the progress reliably and every bit contributes.

But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them. Even if that content is just boring (which, frankly, it mostly is).

Not that the atmas came without warning and, even then, it's still far more lenient as the atma step is one and done that moves then to 1.5k tomestone buys (which is now very easy to repeatedly grind for).

[Misutoraru]

And how is a slow grind with a more reliable drop rate less of a thing for people with enough free time? You will still have to apply about the same time to grind the atmas, only in a more consistent manner.

If you want a more consistent grind, by all means, so do I. Feels better if you can measure the progress reliably and every bit contributes.

But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them. Even if that content is just boring (which, frankly, it mostly is).

Not that the atmas came without warning and, even then, it's still far more lenient as the atma step is one and done that moves then to 1.5k tomestone buys (which is now very easy to repeatedly grind for).

I am completely lose. I dont know how you get that "But stop pretending this is some way of SE ignoring the casual player when a large of the content caters specifically to them" notion from.

I was saying SE seem to go from one end to another end. ARR/HW grind was like this, pray the RNG god on your side. Then EW come that give out Relic from free.

I believe the best would be a middle ground. Keep the RNG if that's players want but have a "progress" on the RNG so the "unlucky" players at least know they will reach it at somepoint. Just like the EX trial mount drop, you either get lucky or you know every EX you beat you are one step closer to the goal.

Grind might still be long for unlucky one but having able to see a progress will always be less frustrating than praying RNG not knowing when it will happen