Cosmic Exploration is Bad

[Supersnow845]

I’d really like if BTN and MNR got better GP control that was actually integrated into their rotation, like rather than starting a mission or ending contact with a node fully restoring GP what if MNR/BTN had a skill that functions sorta like thaliak’s favour.

Every hit of a node with 1000 collectibility generates one stack of “in tune with nature” and you can consume stacks to restore GP. You could also make it so every proc of gatherers boon had a chance to generate a stack as well

[Ekymus]

Why do you even need a pentameld'd bis gear just to level? Many other have used worse gears to level just fine.

That's my point. You shouldn't need BiS penta-melded gear to level a gatherer in Cosmic Explorations. But currently, you do. It's nearly impossible to level in the zone as a gatherer unless you're ready to play "savage" gathering.

This was supposed to be casual leveling content, for me and many others, it's not. It's not fun, casual, or good for leveling.

[GlowClam]

Square Enix consistently provides plenty of challenging content for raiders, while casual players only get a few hours of gameplay with each update. Now, Cosmic Exploration has only made this problem worse. For me, the main issue isn’t the difficulty level. What really ruined the fun in Cosmic Exploration were the constant stumbling blocks and frustrations throughout the activity. There should be two ways to earn all rewards: raiders can obtain them more quickly, while casual players can also achieve them with more patience and time. This would be fair to both groups.

[Ekymus]

And you don’t need it unless you are doing something horribly wrong…….which you won’t explain to us especially if you are doing C and D ranks

It’s not hard to simulate low level crafters/gatherers by simply removing gear pieces to approximate old level ranges by their breakpoint; hell since they sync to 100 but you are wearing only half your gear simulating level 50 is actually harder than being true level 50. And these missions still aren’t hard (outside the A ranks but they ARE pentamelded content)

It’s obvious you are doing something wrong and people want (well wanted) to help you but you won’t explain your problem. What is your gear, what are your stats, what missions are you trying to do

Like I said if you believe that the levelling experience is opaque that’s a fully valid criticism, what isn’t valid is when people try to help you you just go “it’s bad it’s bad it’s bad” “why’s it bad” “it’s bad and I hate you”

Like everyone here besides you knows you are doing something wrong and people are trying to help you, wouldn’t actually getting help so you can do the content properly then form a reasonable complaint about how opaque the levelling experience is be a more productive use of your time

Or don’t, I’ll keep using cosmic as a materia farm and sell you the materia for a 300% markup, it makes no difference to me, anyone can check page 1 and see I opened this thread with a legit offer to try to help you that you instant rebuked then spent 13 pages shouting at everyone

Again, the smugness and superiority complex you have. When people like Mr. Happy are saying the content is screwed up for gatherers, it means this isn't just a "me" problem. It means that the content and systems are screwed up.

And literally no one wanted to "help me". You don't offer help with backhanded, sarcastic, "I'm better than you", comments and get offended when you get called out on your b*llsh*t.

There was one person, it may have even been you, since I don't care enough to look at the names of who's replying anymore, that told me to use my level 100 power... I'm only level 97, but yeah, they were trying to help for sure. Give me a break.

And honestly, you can farm whatever you want, I don't buy anything off the market board, there's nothing worth buying there. Maybe it will mean I never have to have you in a group for a dungeon or raid which would be insuferable I'm sure as you'd try to tell everyone how to play their job while telling them how much they suck.

[Ekymus]

I'm one of those penta-melded omni crafter/gatherers and this has been a challenge, I was struggling.
And then I decided to learn the game past using copy paste macro's from guides, looking up YouTube videos for fishing, joining the balance discord for information.

When it comes to fishing, that was the hardest of them all, though a breeze for non-penta'd friend of mine.

Should there just be no difficulty for people who have fully invested into their job to cater for the people who want to just casually do it ?

I will quit playing before I join the Balance Discord. That group of entitled, elitist, racist, @SShats can all go back to the aetherial sea and never come back. The world would be a better place without them.

And having a challenge is fine, but what I was dealing with as a fisher was beyond "challenging". It's was downright punishing and I'm NOT max level yet. Save the challenge for the max level stuff, and if you want to make a "savage mode" for crafters and gatherers, then make it part of the red alerts or something that you have to opt in to do. Don't set it as the default setting for the casual leveling content.

[Ekymus]

I honestly like the challenge, using macros all the time is boring and I'm having a fun time doing them, I have learned to use abilities in ways I never had before so this will help me in the future :3

Good for you, I've never used a macro as they don't work on gathering. But thank you for missing the entire point of what this thread has been about.

[Supersnow845]

Square Enix consistently provides plenty of challenging content for raiders, while casual players only get a few hours of gameplay with each update. Now, Cosmic Exploration has only made this problem worse. For me, the main issue isn’t the difficulty level. What really ruined the fun in Cosmic Exploration were the constant stumbling blocks and frustrations throughout the activity. There should be two ways to earn all rewards: raiders can obtain them more quickly, while casual players can also achieve them with more patience and time. This would be fair to both groups.

But there already is

If you want the rewards slowly then simply do B ranks + red alerts, that literally achieve everything

Plus raiders and hardcore crafters don’t necessarily overlap, just because you are an Omni casual doesn’t mean everyone is casual at everything

[Supersnow845]

Again, the smugness and superiority complex you have. When people like Mr. Happy are saying the content is screwed up for gatherers, it means this isn't just a "me" problem. It means that the content and systems are screwed up.

And literally no one wanted to "help me". You don't offer help with backhanded, sarcastic, "I'm better than you", comments and get offended when you get called out on your b*llsh*t.

There was one person, it may have even been you, since I don't care enough to look at the names of who's replying anymore, that told me to use my level 100 power... I'm only level 97, but yeah, they were trying to help for sure. Give me a break.

And honestly, you can farm whatever you want, I don't buy anything off the market board, there's nothing worth buying there. Maybe it will mean I never have to have you in a group for a dungeon or raid which would be insuferable I'm sure as you'd try to tell everyone how to play their job while telling them how much they suck.

What exactly are you struggling with?

Are you performing the rank D stellar missions. They your first port of call, rank D missions should be relatively easy for someone of any level

What gear did you buy? What level are you at based on your gear?

If you are synced then your gear may be playing a larger part than you expect but (in the nicest way possible) you may have bought the wrong gear

I can offer some advice but i need a bit more info

This was literally my first two replies to you. I offered to help you, I tried to understand what problems you had and offered you advice, I agreed the way gear progression works on crafters is rather opaque. Genuinely what did you want from me? I only started being rude and sassy because you rebuked my offers and help then insulted me and called me rude and unhelpful. You didn’t provide me any information I could use to help your problem, I still managed to correctly deduce your problem was the (very fair criticism) odd level sync on some of the missions and the game giving you (again fair criticism) the message go buy weaker gear at the shop you don’t actually want. Like what else did you want me to do

“Help” is trying to offer you solutions, not going “you are totally right worst content ever please delete yoshi p”

If you want a vent thread try reddit

[Rinoa_353]

Good for you, I've never used a macro as they don't work on gathering. But thank you for missing the entire point of what this thread has been about.

Woah, who took a dump in your bowl of Cheerios this morning? I realized my tiny mistake but you didn't have to be rude about it. Are you always this rude to everyone? You're being rude to everyone that was trying to offer help, no wonder you have little friends acting like a manchild.


I was going to offer you tips on how you can gear up that is easy and affordable while leveling up but with your childish antics, you can go kick rocks. It's not my fault you ran to the MB first before trying to find ways to gear up without spending any Gil even if you just tried looking at the right place :/


Like Supersnow845 said, go to Reddit if you want to vent and fish for sympathy and attention.

[Ekymus]

This was literally my first two replies to you. I offered to help you, I tried to understand what problems you had and offered you advice, I agreed the way gear progression works on crafters is rather opaque. Genuinely what did you want from me? I only started being rude and sassy because you rebuked my offers and help then insulted me and called me rude and unhelpful. You didn’t provide me any information I could use to help your problem, I still managed to correctly deduce your problem was the (very fair criticism) odd level sync on some of the missions and the game giving you (again fair criticism) the message go buy weaker gear at the shop you don’t actually want. Like what else did you want me to do

“Help” is trying to offer you solutions, not going “you are totally right worst content ever please delete yoshi p”

If you want a vent thread try reddit

That was literally you telling me that I don't know how to play fisher or what my buttons do. And again, I DON'T PLAY CRAFTERS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HOW CRAFTING WORKS.

If you wanted to help, you should not have come in assuming that I don't know what I'm doing and that the problem must be me. Because based on the people complaining about how gathering works in Cosmic Exploration and the fact that you're one of the only people claiming it works perfectly, you are clearly wrong and don't understand why people don't like this content.

Even in this response, you refuse to accept that the problem isn't me, but the content. You refuse to admit that Cosmic Explorations is a bad experience for gatherers, especially fishers, and instead insist that I just don't know how to play the class.

You are white knighting for some of the worst conceived content in the game as you continue to ignore the fact that Cosmic Explorations isn't a good experience for the casual gatherer.