Cosmic Exploration is Bad

[Misutoraru]

I have to say OP, you're the most hostile and aggressive FSH main I've met so far here :v

You obviously have not met me when I was doing “So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish” the moment I finally get !!! for the third time when all the star aligned, weather was right and “the fish get away” XD

[Ekymus]

This thread title and its OP are bad faith actors throwing a tantrum that the content is bad because it didn't meet their expectation of a leveling experience. They embody every aspect of the toxic casual within FFXIV: having rebuffed initial attempts to provide assistance, perpetuated an agenda that content does not cater to their below-average playtime and ability, and ignored all valid arguments by claiming personal knowledge far beyond their actual experience with the game, all while being actively hostile.

There are other threads with valid criticisms and discussions about Cosmic Exploration. Stop feeding this troll.

Wow, look at this word salad. Did you do this yourself or get ChatGPT to write it for you?

For starters, I'm not acting in "Bad Faith" and there has been zero help offered in this thread to me or anyone other than, "well crafting is really easy so you must be playing fisher wrong, git gud".

I admit I'm a casual player, I'm sorry if you see casual players as toxic, but that's entirely a "you" problem. Casual players like me are what keep the game alive and growing. Just because I don't do Ultimates and Savages, doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain about the game when I see a problem and it doesn't mean I'm not competent, or *gasp* dare I say even good, at the jobs I do choose to play.

As to my playtime, I used to play around 20 hours a week, but honestly, Cosmic Explorations is so bad, I haven't wanted to log into the game for the last several days. But I guess we all can't be kids living at home in your parent's basement, unemployed, and be able to play 80+ hours a week or whatever you consider the "proper" average amount of time playing.

And if I'm actively hostile to knobbers like you, it's because I reply with the same energy that you did. Don't start something you can't finish.

[Ekymus]

I have to say OP, you're the most hostile and aggressive FSH main I've met so far here :v

I fish, both in games and in real life, to relax and enjoy the scenery. I've had less stress and frustration fishing in games like Warframe than I did in Cosmic Explorations.

Maybe if the content didn't suck and I was able to fish like I had wanted to I wouldn't be disappointed in the game or how this aspect has been handled.

And if you think I'm "hostile", you should probably avoid Reddit, there are people on there complaining about Cosmic Explorations that would probably make you break down and cry with what they have to say about it.

[Supersnow845]

You need to pull your head out of the sand kiddo.

There are people on these forums besides me complaining about the gathering side of Cosmic Explorations. There are streamers complaining about it. There are Reddit posts complaining about it.And they're almost all saying the same thing, Cosmic Exploration is messed up for gatherers.

I get it, you have no personality other than white knighting for a game you play, but Cosmic Exploration is BAD content for gatherers. And I've heard and seen more than a few botanists complaining about the content as well.

It's you and like 4 other people who are defending the dumpster fire that is gathering in Cosmic Explorations. You are in the minority and you are wrong.

I need to take a screenshot of this, me being called a white knight. This is just next level

And if you actually read you’d understand that few people actually disagree with proper actionable criticism on the front of gatherers. Things such as GP not restoring, or cordials being too weak with too long CD’s, same as criticism around the problem that aetherial reduction takes time in a limited time spam. It’s just that gets mixed up with people making criticisms that amount to “I don’t understand the content” or “my gear is too weak” and they think that since other people are making valid criticisms then theirs are as well. 99% of complaints that aren’t “GP doesn’t restore” amount to “I can’t read” like people who wonder why they aren’t getting any points on a mission that gives points for triggering gatherers boon or weak gear; like people who constantly complain that they can’t gold rank A3 experts with orange scrip gear macros

Your complaints basically centre on you being unable to do absolutely basic missions for reasons you will not explain to us despite other people doing harder missions with weaker gear than you and then going “see since x person made y (valid complaint) my complaint that makes zero sense and you won’t substantiate is also totally valid” and then go “see so everyone has to hate the content”

Like you just called me a white knight, the forums number 1 hater of modern job design just because I’m telling you that “I don’t understand the content” isn’t a valid criticism unless your complaint is that the content is opaque in explaining crafting and gathering breakpoints which IS a valid criticism

[Ekymus]

I need to take a screenshot of this, me being called a white knight. This is just next level

And if you actually read you’d understand that few people actually disagree with proper actionable criticism on the front of gatherers. Things such as GP not restoring, or cordials being too weak with too long CD’s, same as criticism around the problem that aetherial reduction takes time in a limited time spam. It’s just that gets mixed up with people making criticisms that amount to “I don’t understand the content” or “my gear is too weak” and they think that since other people are making valid criticisms then theirs are as well. 99% of complaints that aren’t “GP doesn’t restore” amount to “I can’t read” like people who wonder why they aren’t getting any points on a mission that gives points for triggering gatherers boon or weak gear; like people who constantly complain that they can’t gold rank A3 experts with orange scrip gear macros

Your complaints basically centre on you being unable to do absolutely basic missions for reasons you will not explain to us despite other people doing harder missions with weaker gear than you and then going “see since x person made y (valid complaint) my complaint that makes zero sense and you won’t substantiate is also totally valid” and then go “see so everyone has to hate the content”

Like you just called me a white knight, the forums number 1 hater of modern job design just because I’m telling you that “I don’t understand the content” isn’t a valid criticism unless your complaint is that the content is opaque in explaining crafting and gathering breakpoints which IS a valid criticism

What part of "this is supposed to be leveling content, not just for max level pentamelded gatherers" do you not understand? This is why you're clearly white knighting for Cosmic Explorations. You only allow and approve of certain, specific, criticisms. But if that criticism falls outside your "approved list" you charge to the rescue and try your best to squash it.

It's really kind of pathetic.

You don't get to determine what is, or isn't, "valid criticism", especially when the same or similar criticisms are being voiced not just by me, but by a LOT of others, including hardcore players.

Cosmic Explorations is for anyone level 10 or higher. This was meant to be leveling content. As leveling content, you shouldn't need penta-melded BiS gear if you're below level 100, and even then, you shouldn't need it unless you're almost done with your relic.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Why do you even need a pentameld'd bis gear just to level? Many other have used worse gears to level just fine.

[Supersnow845]

What part of "this is supposed to be leveling content, not just for max level pentamelded gatherers" do you not understand? This is why you're clearly white knighting for Cosmic Explorations. You only allow and approve of certain, specific, criticisms. But if that criticism falls outside your "approved list" you charge to the rescue and try your best to squash it.

It's really kind of pathetic.

You don't get to determine what is, or isn't, "valid criticism", especially when the same or similar criticisms are being voiced not just by me, but by a LOT of others, including hardcore players.

Cosmic Explorations is for anyone level 10 or higher. This was meant to be leveling content. As leveling content, you shouldn't need penta-melded BiS gear if you're below level 100, and even then, you shouldn't need it unless you're almost done with your relic.

And you don’t need it unless you are doing something horribly wrong…….which you won’t explain to us especially if you are doing C and D ranks

It’s not hard to simulate low level crafters/gatherers by simply removing gear pieces to approximate old level ranges by their breakpoint; hell since they sync to 100 but you are wearing only half your gear simulating level 50 is actually harder than being true level 50. And these missions still aren’t hard (outside the A ranks but they ARE pentamelded content)

It’s obvious you are doing something wrong and people want (well wanted) to help you but you won’t explain your problem. What is your gear, what are your stats, what missions are you trying to do

Like I said if you believe that the levelling experience is opaque that’s a fully valid criticism, what isn’t valid is when people try to help you you just go “it’s bad it’s bad it’s bad” “why’s it bad” “it’s bad and I hate you”

Like everyone here besides you knows you are doing something wrong and people are trying to help you, wouldn’t actually getting help so you can do the content properly then form a reasonable complaint about how opaque the levelling experience is be a more productive use of your time

Or don’t, I’ll keep using cosmic as a materia farm and sell you the materia for a 300% markup, it makes no difference to me, anyone can check page 1 and see I opened this thread with a legit offer to try to help you that you instant rebuked then spent 13 pages shouting at everyone

[KitiaraIornsight]

I'm currently not a fan of the cosmic exploration from a DoL standpoint. If the ultimate goal is to allow you to level up and achieve a goal as a server, making it so the tasks from level 50 onward so punishing, what's the point? Color me super confused when I was a few ilvls below 690 (I'm a VERY casual gatherer/crafter) and it alerted me that my ilvl was lower than recommended for what's supposed to be level 50 tasks? Excuse me? And then as I do more talking if you aren't basically pentamelded you can forget even getting close to level 100 nodes. This makes me not even want to do it. It should have been done the way firmament was handled for rebuilding ishgard. That was fun. You weren't "punished" for not being a pentamelded omi-gatherer. This whole zone essentially is just for high level omi gatherers and crafters and locks out the casual player that may have stuck with it.
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[NaoSen]

I'm one of those penta-melded omni crafter/gatherers and this has been a challenge, I was struggling.
And then I decided to learn the game past using copy paste macro's from guides, looking up YouTube videos for fishing, joining the balance discord for information.

When it comes to fishing, that was the hardest of them all, though a breeze for non-penta'd friend of mine.

Should there just be no difficulty for people who have fully invested into their job to cater for the people who want to just casually do it ?

[Rinoa_353]

I honestly like the challenge, using macros all the time is boring and I'm having a fun time doing them, I have learned to use abilities in ways I never had before so this will help me in the future :3