Translation Corner

[Abriael]

wow some people get butt hurt realllll easy. if somebody insults me I usually just ignore them.

EDIT: but in all honestly I didn't see abriael insulting you in the slightest (well maybe slightly), he just gave us the tools to look at the japanese page in english, which I did. so yeah.

Exactly. I personally think that people should look with their own eyes if they are curious about the Japanese community. I find it an extremely interesting read, especially in the specialized forums, since they use them much more than us (people here seem to have a penchant for dumping every thread in general discussion). It's most definitely more precise and complete than a summary that can be quite easily influenced by personal opinion.

Google trans is quite a great tool, and gets improved daily. Even being able to read japanese quite decently, I still use it for cross referencing. Too few people actually know about it and use it.

[Chezen]

@ Abriael

I tend to agree with most of the points you make in your posts, but I really fail to understand why you always seem to have to pick a fight with everyone.

Just sayin', as they say.

And Kaedan is right, in this case. He freely invited anyone to post, which hardly makes him sound like he's trying to be a lone hero. Plus, if you have used the google translator, you should know the translation it gives is hardly understandable by a fledgling Japanese student, much less someone with no idea. I look up stuff sometimes, but I don't have the time to struggle with every post with my beginner skills. Help from anybody with translation is appreciated from me.

[Anathiel]

Exactly. I personally think that people should look with their own eyes if they are curious about the Japanese community. I find it an extremely interesting read, especially in the specialized forums, since they use them much more than us (people here seem to have a penchant for dumping every thread in general discussion). It's most definitely more precise and complete than a summary that can be quite easily influenced by personal opinion.

Google trans is quite a great tool, and gets improved daily. Even being able to read japanese quite decently, I still use it for cross referencing. Too few people actually know about it and use it.

Well when the forums first opened they said to put suggestions in the general discussion thread. Not toomention its also for general discuission about the game

[Abriael]

A) Tell me where I said they are split 50/50 in the OP on this thread. Oh that's right... I didn't.
B) If people aren't split 50/50 on the issue, then give us a number. You claim to know that it isn't split 50/50, so since you've obviously counted up every unique post you can tell us how many people are for and against a penalty.

You told it in quite a few occasions in other threads, and this one you made quite an active effort to make the posters look very much split on the issue.

I would say less than 10% of the posters are arguing in favor of an experience-based penalty.
That's not having "a lot of people on both sides", that's having a few people overwhelmed by the majority.

You accused me of lying. You accused me of making false statements to further my own agenda. I did nothing of the sort. That is slander (possibly libel in this case, since it's written).

First of all, there's quite a difference between lying and being biased. And considering how spitefully aggressive you've been about this issue (and even here, mind you), yes, you are biased.
I might be too, that's why I encouraged people to look for themselves.

I'm not the one telling lies about him and I had to defend myself from his hateful, false accusations.

Hyperbole much?
Should I quote some of your spiteful responses in other threads? Maybe you should think about how you post yourself before accusing others to "hate" you

And Kaedan is right, in this case. He freely invited anyone to post, which hardly makes him sound like he's trying to be a lone hero. Plus, if you have used the google translator, you should know the translation it gives is hardly understandable by a fledgling Japanese student, much less someone with no idea. I look up stuff sometimes, but I don't have the time to struggle with every post with my beginner skills. Help from anybody with translation is appreciated from me.

Unfortunately with the way people are in this forum, radically biased towards their opinion, I would strongly discourage believing anything but your own eyes on this kind of reporting. Even if you can grasp only the general meaning of a post, it'll still be more complete and precise than having someone summarize a whole thread for you in a few lines. You're entirely free to chose the option you prefer too. I gave an alternative that I find more effective and unbiased.

[Kaedan]

I'm gonna try and make some translation notes as I go here:

-There are a lot of people on both sides.
-A few people suggest having a "death bonus" instead of a death penalty. The whole "positive reinforcement" thing.
-People have concerns over the "zombie attacking" (just keep throwing bodies at mobs until you kill them)
-A couple people say that SE shouldn't do everything the players say, and should make their own decisions (one of these guys was replying to a poster who was for the death penalty and specifically brought up the lack of "risk" and how that trivializes the game).
-Many players mention losing Anima upon death as an option.
-One guy says they should make a poll regarding death penalty.

Ok, so I went over about 10 pages of the 65 page thread (few at the beginning, few in middle, few at end). They seem to be just as polarized as us. There are players that want no Death penalty, some that are fine with Yoshi's idea (this group is the smallest it seems though, which I found interesting), players that want SP penalties, players that want Anima penalties.

They bring up the same reasons too: lack of "fun" of Death penalty, lack of "risk" without a penalty, the merits of having it be losing a bonus rather than losing something you already have, etc.

So yeah, that subject seems to be just as sore over there as here.

Tell me where I'm being radically biased.

Every one of my points is a fact. I have made no subjective judgements beyond I felt "that they were polarized, just like us". You claim to speak Japanese... if I am lying, tell me where.

You won't, because I'm not actually being biased at all. You are doing this because you have a personal vendetta against me for some reason.

I have used google translate in the past. I've found that it generally produces more nonsense than anything else. I've even put in simple words and phrases it's managed to screw up. It is not reliable.

Anyone who spots errors in my translations is free to correct me, and I will do the same. But you're not even doing that. You are making up lies.

[Anathiel]

Lmao wow threatened with a law suit, in the army we just beat each other up. Lol, I'm enjoyinh this a lot. Continue on and let me enjoy this

[Kaedan]

Lmao wow threatened with a law suit, in the army we just beat each other up. Lol, I'm enjoyinh this a lot. Continue on and let me enjoy this

Hmm? Law suit? Where? *looks around*

Oh? How long have you been in the army? I almost entered the Air Force out of High school.

[Anathiel]

Let's see, been about 6 years now.

[Kaedan]

Let's see, been about 6 years now.

Nice!

Mind if I ask where you're stationed? My cousin was originally in Texas, but he's been moved to Germany for the last few years.

[Abriael]

Tell me where I'm being radically biased.

Every one of my points is a fact. I have made no subjective judgements beyond I felt "that they were polarized, just like us". You claim to speak Japanese... if I am lying, tell me where.

You talk about polarization, which means two distinct and extreme groups of equal or near-equal mass, and you talk about a lot of people on each side. There's actually very little polarization, with very little people arguing for harsh death penalties like xp/sp ones (and most of those postig multiple times). Most people argue for lighter death pealties and agree partially or completely with Yoshida's proposal.
Besides a few proposals that are quite on the wild/covoluted side, and have little application, that's pretty much all there's to it.

You won't, because I'm not actually being biased at all. You are doing this because you have a personal vendetta against me for some reason.

I'm sure you're aware of the fact that you saying that dosn't necessarily make it true.

I have used google translate in the past. I've found that it generally produces more nonsense than anything else. I've even put in simple words and phrases it's managed to screw up. It is not reliable.

So basically you're saying "listen to me! Don't look with your own eyes!". Are you perchance afraid that people could think that your summary isn't exactly accurate if given the tools to check?
Well, sorry, I'd rather them see with their own eyes than to blindly believe you (or me), so I presented them the best tool available.

Google translator is unreliable only to look for the smaller details. It's quite reliable to understand the general meaning of a text.