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  1. #11
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The problem you are running into is caused by the fact you have severely weak gear for what you are trying to attempt. Crafting and gathering is designed so that gear jumps up in bundles of 10 levels, it doesn’t function like combat gear that moves almost every level

    If you are level 9x then the game is expecting you to use the purple scrip gear you can buy in raz-at-Han to use all the way to level 100 where you would progr as to current gear. Using purple scrip gear at level 90 will make D and C ranks a breeze and B ranks possible

    The game could arguably do a better job of explaining how the crafting/gathering gear progression is rather unique but this is also how the crafters/gatherers have always works
    If op main complain is about gatherers then hes rightfully to trash talk devs about it. Even with penta melded gear some of the A quests are like pulling teeth for gold rank. Exploration is badly designed for miner/botanist at max level I can imagine it is hell to do just for leveling. Do i need to tell that A quests have some that require you to have like 720 at least mid if not penta meld gear from various crafters to not miss on huge points on relic progress?

    For just leveling in this dumb content i assume you need to prepare HQ melded/food gear at every quest breakpoint. It does not feel casual hop in to get levels.

    I started exploration as miner and i regret it every second, while everyone is having fun afking at base doing crafting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    That said, this is casual content. That's not the same as "free" content or even "easy" content.
    Sir please step back from keyboard for at least a day. Yes it is casual. Yes it should not be giga free. But doing it should not feel like a total waste of time (and cordials that I can't even buy with cosmic currency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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    Last edited by Stasya; 04-25-2025 at 08:52 PM.

  2. #12
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    If op main complain is about gatherers then hes rightfully to trash talk devs about it. Even with penta melded gear some of the A quests are like pulling teeth for gold rank. Exploration is badly designed for miner/botanist at max level I can imagine it is hell to do just for leveling. Do i need to tell that A quests have some that require you to have like 720 at least mid if not penta meld gear from various crafters to not miss on huge points on relic progress?

    For just leveling in this dumb content i assume you need to prepare HQ melded/food gear at every quest breakpoint. It does not feel casual hop in to get levels.

    I started exploration as miner and i regret it every second, while everyone is having fun afking at base doing crafting.



    Sir please step back from keyboard for at least a day. Yes it is casual. Yes it should not be giga free. But doing it should not feel like a total waste of time (and cordials that I can't even buy with cosmic currency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    I’m not sure why you are saying “imagine how bad levelling is when A ranks are so hard” when A ranks are specifically designed to be content that isn’t easy

    If you want to macro with no food on mid tier pentamelded gear then simply do B ranks. The missions that give tier 4 data in the A rank are intentionally harder

    Like genuinely what’s so bad about there being a tier specifically for people who want to do a bit more
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  3. #13
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    Tiger Undie
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    Fisher Lv 100
    I dont get how people can complain about leveling crafter/gatherer too slow when you can literally hit 100 on everything within a few hours by just turning in normal leves and company daylies

    the purpose of this content is to let people farm their new relics and to invest 1000 hours to get the black robo mount and some titles
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  4. #14
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    I dont get how people can complain about leveling crafter/gatherer too slow when you can literally hit 100 on everything within a few hours by just turning in normal leves and company daylies

    the purpose of this content is to let people farm their new relics and to invest 1000 hours to get the black robo mount and some titles
    They complain about it because in their finite wisdom SE elected to open up the content at level 10, and literally also advertise it as levelling content, so yes, if you advertise it as levelling content, and open it up for levelling whilst also subsequently having it as one of the slowest levelling methods, but a fairly large degree, then yes people are going to complain.

    Don't know how that shocks you tbh.
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  5. #15
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    it takes 1000+ hours to grind for the final mount reward, people shouldnt be shocked when that leveling proccess also takes 100 hours in there
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  6. #16
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    Nero Tsukimi
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    I also noticed that the content synch stuff at your LV but in between LV it's strange. Like if it was synch for every 5 lv not every 10 I don't how to explain it clearly but ya it feel weird when I did hit 98
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  7. #17
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    it takes 1000+ hours to grind for the final mount reward, people shouldnt be shocked when that leveling proccess also takes 100 hours in there
    Except these are two entirely different things.

    Still failing to see why levelling should be this poorly distributed across Ishgard Restoration and Cosmic Exploration. Especially when they both still have long-term goals (E.g., Pteranodon). Levelling should be fairly evenly distributed, whether this is more aligned with Ishgard, or more aligned with Cosmic.

    Again, it just undermines the purpose of Cosmic Exploration, and why they would bother advertising it as a levelling space, in addition to relic etc., when it's quite possibly the worst levelling method aside from slogging along doing your crafting log.
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  8. #18
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    the purpose is to keep people busy with content

    They dont keep people busy with it, if they make it the new fastest leveling method available
    And leveling crafters/gatherers already is ridiculously fast in this game

    farm your relics and the new 5.5m pt mount and get some levels along the way, thats the purpose
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  9. #19
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    The level synced quests feel weird. Did a Critical mission on BTN94(lv 90 script gear), had a 100% collection rate on the items. Got a level up and suddenly the collection rate goes down to 98%. To me that just feels weird, going up in level, now you're worse at collecting the items than you were a level ago.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    the purpose is to keep people busy with content

    They dont keep people busy with it, if they make it the new fastest leveling method available
    And leveling crafters/gatherers already is ridiculously fast in this game

    farm your relics and the new 5.5m pt mount and get some levels along the way, thats the purpose
    Except I didn't say "Make it the new fastest levelling method in the game".

    I said have evenly distributed and balanced.

    What the purpose of the content is, and what long-term goals are, are two entirely different things. Long term goals, e.g., Pteranodon, or High Mobility Vacuum Suit, are just there to give the content staying power after purpose of the content has been exhausted, which in this case would be content with an element of server progression. Which was the same purpose as Ishgard Restoration (Server progression).

    They mostly certainly didn't create Ishgard Restoration with the purpose of people (all 4500 of them obtaining the Pteranodon, even in its neutered form), the purpose of it was server progression, and then the Pteranodon was there as a long-term goal for people to work towards after the content had exhausted its primary purpose.
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