Wife unable to do alliance raid roulette once she hit 60.

[Supersnow845]

If SE designed interesting PvE the "problem" would solve itself.

That said, I do think there's an argument for putting CT into the MSQ roulette.

That still doesn’t really mean anything. If you want to queue for the alliance (or any roulette) you should have everything accessible. Roulettes shouldn’t be pick and choose what content you want in them even if you personally think some of the options are bad

[Aidorouge]

Doesn't that completely negate the purpose of AR roulette in the first place?

Like SE currently bribes vets to do AR roulette so that sprouts can clear the required CT content. They're not likely to then create a major impediment to people doing AR roulette.

I do find it weird that some people are treating the alliance raid roulette bonus as some kind of sacred cow that others shouldn't be allowed to touch unless they're willing to unlock and run EVERY alliance raid despite the fact it would just create more problems as the people who DON'T want to do a certain AR will just do things to hinder progress anyway (from lethargic play to just leaving). Or in my case I just stopped doing roulettes because my options were "tainted" now.

I recall even there's a lot of people who purposefully do alliance raid roulette LAST precisely so if they don't get a CT run, they can leave and it has zero impact on the rest of their queues because they're basically done for the day anyway.
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Not following. Why would anyone want to queue for any AR more than once, outside of glam and rewards?

I actually did attempt to keep direct queuing into Ivalice during the last mogtome event after I initially finished them because I figured I could kill two birds with one stone by farming the music/minions/cards/glam and get mogtomes too, but after finding out I wasn't good enough to be doing that and feeling like a hindrance to other people's farming, I decided I would just make unsync PFs to get the rest of the loot I want from Ivalice once the mogtomes were gone ...only to realize most players on Aether/Primal/Crystal have zero reason to go back in there without the sync/roulette rewards so I never had any takers.

While I was able to solve getting the cards and music with an NPC and the marketboard, the minions and glams are going to be staying out of my reach it seems.

[Supersnow845]

I do find it weird that some people are treating the alliance raid roulette bonus as some kind of sacred cow that others shouldn't be allowed to touch unless they're willing to unlock and run EVERY alliance raid despite the fact it would just create more problems as the people who DON'T want to do a certain AR will just do things to hinder progress anyway (from lethargic play to just leaving). Or in my case I just stopped doing roulettes because my options were "tainted" now.

I recall even there's a lot of people who purposefully do alliance raid roulette LAST precisely so if they don't get a CT run, they can leave and it has zero impact on the rest of their queues because they're basically done for the day anyway.
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I actually did attempt to keep direct queuing into Ivalice during the last mogtome event after I initially finished them because I figured I could kill two birds with one stone by farming the music/minions/cards/glam and get mogtomes too, but after finding out I wasn't good enough to be doing that and feeling like a hindrance to other people's farming, I decided I would just make unsync PFs to get the rest of the loot I want from Ivalice once the mogtomes were gone ...only to realize most players on Aether/Primal/Crystal have zero reason to go back in there without the sync/roulette rewards so I never had any takers.

While I was able to solve getting the cards and music with an NPC and the marketboard, the minions and glams are going to be staying out of my reach it seems.

No one is trying to deny you your bonus for no reason it’s just if you queue for the alliance roulette without unlocking all the raids you are actively hindering the roulettes purpose of proccing raids for people queuing for it. Going into one of the higher raids and being bad is actively BETTER than you not unlocking it because at least your presence in the roulette queue isn't hindering the roulettes ability to pop the higher raids

You shouldn’t be rewarded for warping the roulettes queuing system

Oh and funny note I know just as many people who queue for the alliance roulette last and leave if they DO get CT or just stopped queueing for the alliance roulette directly which further reduces the pool of people who do anything besides CT

[Mawlzy]

That still doesn’t really mean anything. If you want to queue for the alliance (or any roulette) you should have everything accessible. Roulettes shouldn’t be pick and choose what content you want in them even if you personally think some of the options are bad

Optional content is optional. SE isn't going to introduce some weird hybrid scheme whereby you are compelled to unlock optional content to run content you've already unlocked. I think even they are aware we're forced to do too much dull PvE already and are not likely to drive even more people from the game by compelling them to do more.

[Supersnow845]

Optional content is optional. SE isn't going to introduce some weird hybrid scheme whereby you are compelled to unlock optional content to run content you've already unlocked. I think even they are aware we're forced to do too much dull PvE already and are not likely to drive even more people from the game by compelling them to do more.

A roulette isn’t required content and we already have a roulette that has optional and required content in it that you need to unlock all content on it before you unlock the roulette which is the level cap roulette. I don’t know why we should be making exceptions for the alliance roulette because it has CT in it

If you are running a roulette you a consenting to get anything for the benefit of a direct queuer. You shouldn’t be able to tailor the roulette to that direct direct queuers detriment

[Mawlzy]

A roulette isn’t required content and we already have a roulette that has optional and required content in it that you need to unlock all content on it before you unlock the roulette which is the level cap roulette. I don’t know why we should be making exceptions for the alliance roulette because it has CT in it

If you are running a roulette you a consenting to get anything for the benefit of a direct queuer. You shouldn’t be able to tailor the roulette to that direct direct queuers detriment

Still not really following. The AR series is unlocked in sequence. If someone chooses to stop unlocking it, I don't see how that is having a negative impact on anyone else.

Is that really how the level cap roulette works? Never done it.

[Supersnow845]

Still not really following. The AR series is unlocked in sequence. If someone chooses to stop unlocking it, I don't see how that is having a negative impact on anyone else.

Is that really how the level cap roulette works? Never done it.

The roulettes are designed to get people into what is being queued directly for. If you don’t have what is being queued for unlocked then you can’t help that person. That would be bad enough as it is but then on top of that the roulettes are also designed to minimise the average wait time so they flow properly.

So if person A is queuing for ivalice and then you queue for the roulette with only CT unlocked then the roulette is still trying to pop ivalice for this person but now also has to contend with you needing CT to pop in a somewhat timely manner because that’s how roulette systems work. So after a while of not getting enough people for ivalice the roulette may choose to minimise the average queue time and pop CT for you instead since you can’t do ivalice which deprives person A from having enough people to pop ivalice. This is why the higher level alliance raids take so long

So you aren’t just useless you are actively hurting them and warping the roulette’s purpose

I beg to differ, given the number of times I was kicked from Mhach and Ivalice before I was able to finish them all because other people did in fact care a great deal about me being bad and dying too many times (even when I was literally the only cutscene watcher and obviously new), meaning I was actively making runs WORSE than if I had never shown up, and now I don't contribute to the roulette popping at all because I don't want to deal with Mhach or Ivalice again, or how my experience with them has ensured I never touch alliance raids from Shadowbringers onward.
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The point is from a utilitarian perspective in terms of the utility of the roulettes even if you got kicked (which being kicked many times as a new person on an alliance roulette sounds odd) the roulette is still more useful than if it never popped those duties because there is very likely at least 2-3 others who were queueing for those duties that needed them popped

So now since you won’t unlock nier, myths or echos you queueing into the alliance roulette is warping it for those who want them to pop, because from a utility perspective it’s more useful for the average player for those duties to pop and kick you then it is for the duties to never pop. I don’t mean that in a harsh way, it’s just how the roulettes are designed to work

[Mawlzy]

The roulettes are designed to get people into what is being queued directly for. If you don’t have what is being queued for unlocked then you can’t help that person. That would be bad enough as it is but then on top of that the roulettes are also designed to minimise the average wait time so they flow properly.

So if person A is queuing for ivalice and then you queue for the roulette with only CT unlocked then the roulette is still trying to pop ivalice for this person but now also has to contend with you needing CT to pop in a somewhat timely manner because that’s how roulette systems work. So after a while of not getting enough people for ivalice the roulette may choose to minimise the average queue time and pop CT for you instead since you can’t do ivalice which deprives person A from having enough people to pop ivalice. This is why the higher level alliance raids take so long

So you aren’t just useless you are actively hurting them and warping the roulette’s purpose

So your claim is that, by reducing the total number of players doing ARs through your system (which is what it would do), the queue times for non-CT ARs would shorten?

If that's true, then the issue is with the queue prioritization algorithm.

If it is not true, you're simply constraining how people choose to play the game.

[Supersnow845]

So your claim is that, by reducing the total number of players doing ARs through your system (which is what it would do), the queue times for non-CT ARs would shorten?

If that's true, then the issue is with the queue prioritization algorithm.

If it is not true, you're simply constraining how people choose to play the game.

Yes because having less people in the roulette forcing it to pop CT would make the other raids faster even if less overall people queued because queueing for the roulette with only CT unlocked is tantamount to sucking 23 other bodies out of the roulette so you’d have to massively decrease the total amount of people to have it be worse for direct queuers of the higher raids

And in order to fix this with algorithm prioritisation they’d have to massively increase the queue length of people who did the right thing and unlocked everything because they would have to sit in a waiting room for the higher roulettes if the algorithm was changed to prioritise the higher roulettes

So if they changed the algorithm you’d just be punishing rouletters that unlocked everything else instead of just forcing people with only CT to unlock everything else

[Kozh]

Even now I'm sitting on every job at 100 and I've barely touched down in Shadowbringers and I didn't need to actively try leveling until I got to 90

If you have all jobs at 100 and still not finished with ShB, you're making problem of your own. Even with exp buffs, I don't reach max lvl on all of my jobs when I was catching up with the msq back when I started playing this game. And I was rrally taking my time doing everything.

Gil does rain from the sky, it's named levelling roulette and treasure hunt.

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Oh you're that guy who moaned a lot about dying in normal content. How would you expect to get better when you immediately give up as soon as you died in alliance/normal raids? Everybody don't immediately get good at this game, they all experienced the same thing as you in the beginning. Most people won't even care if you died in alliance/normal raid.