The Male Miqo'te situation of Tural (SE forgetting their own lore?)

[MikkoAkure]

I think that's the general issue with just Dawntrail writing, we got a fast forward "Display case" that was very surface level on these so called "unique tribes" and their culture. Without actually stepping deep into any content about them.
Another pacing issue and them not fleshing out any characters and storylines for growth, but just giving us a "planet of hats" tv trope, where everyone in that tribe just does one thing that they are known for. The Pelu Pelu are the perfect example for this.

Oh and them not really caring about worldbuilding and former lore. I think the new writers just check old lore in some lorefinder in a troubleshoot fashion and don't go deeper into anything else.

They still used enough established lore to make male Shetona and female Xbr'aal rare which means the Dawntrail writers are still somewhat paying attention. Male Miqo'te/Mystel/Hhetsarro being rare seems to have been quietly walked back from since Shadowbringers so that's not a new thing. Whether it will ever come up in-game is another thing altogether though.

[Andevom]

Male Miqo'te being rare is an artifact of FFXI, which was used as a justification as to why only female Mithra were playable. It was carried over into 1.0 since the devs were uncomfortable with breaking away too much from what made XI successful (this, obviously, ended up being a bad decision).

Then the 2010s roll around, and people are very vocal about not liking being gender-locked into a race. So SE caves and makes male Miqo'te playable, which is a bit awkward lore-wise since you've established "they're rare" and now every city is flooded with them.

Overtime, you figure the playerbase is so acclimated to seeing catmen that you just start throwing them everywhere. Yes, you'll make .0001% of players go "Heyyyy, wait a minute", but that's a small price to pay.

[TakoyakiLala]

Unlike Eoreza's Keeper of Moon and Seeker of the Sun clans who tend to pretty much kick out all their male Miqo'te for one reason or another. The Turali Miqo'te seem like they don't follow their Eorezan counterparts rules. Koana's late parents being a good example of both a singular male and female Miqo'te getting together to have a child and jointly raise him, rather than one male with a harem of females or a matriarch of women with only one or two males solely there for breeding and borderline slave work.

So, there seemingly being more Turali male Miqo'te around compared to their Eorezan counterparts is more than likely due to a heavy cultural difference and them not feeling the need to spread out as thinly as possible. As with the Seekers of the Sun, with male Miqo'te of their clan. It makes sense as to why you don't see bundles of them together. Most male Seeker clan Miqo'te see eachother as rivals, so they spread out as much as possible to either eventually form their own clans or train to become strong enough to overthrow a Nunth who's possession they have their eye on.

As for the Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te, I can only assume we don't see many of them in Eoreza due to their upbringing basically being used as breeding machines and treated like the help. So they could have become antisocial and so tend to prefer living reclusive lifestyles. Though, that's what I just assume with them.

[MikkoAkure]

So SE caves and makes male Miqo'te playable, which is a bit awkward lore-wise since you've established "they're rare" and now every city is flooded with them.

I don't think that is necessarily "lore-breaking".

Sun Seeker Tias and Moon Keeper males generally being wanderers makes them easy candidates for being adventurers so I think they'd have a higher percentage of representation amongst adventurers than census percentages would otherwise suggest.

Just like how the amount of Viera, Au Ra, and Hrothgar NPCs in Eorzea can be counted on one hand and they're not native to the region, but adventurers of those races would exist since the lore established them being here as displaced mercenaries or refugees and like male Miqo'te, easy adventurers.

a matriarch of women with only one or two males solely there for breeding and borderline slave work.

There's nothing in the lore about male Moon Keepers being breeding/work slaves. That sounds like fanon made up by players that just as silly as "Miqo'te only live to 45".

Moon Keeper NPCs themselves said that the men are wanderers and the women only like being around them "in small doses".

[TakoyakiLala]

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There's nothing in the lore about male Moon Keepers being breeding/work slaves. That sounds like fanon made up by players that just as silly as "Miqo'te only live to 45".

Moon Keeper NPCs themselves said that the men are wanderers and the women only like being around them "in small doses".

Really? I could have sworn listening to one or two NPCs in game explain the customs behind Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te mentioning these things. Weird. I could be misremembering, lol!

[MikkoAkure]

Really? I could have sworn listening to one or two NPCs in game explain the customs behind Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te mentioning these things. Weird. I could be misremembering, lol!

In the postmoogle quests, when confronted with the notion of a Moon Keeper King, one of the sisters mentions how unnatural it sounds to have the Couerlclaws revolve around him and how they’re typically wanderers.

“The men of the Keepers of the Moon live a wanderer's life, for they are at their best in small doses. Women and children keep the hearth, ply various trades, and accept game and visits from the menfolk.

But King Poach denies women this gods-given rule over matters of family. He forces women to live with him, forbids them to see their sisters, mothers, aunts. Most unnaturally, they lie with him and him alone!”

[Iscah]

Turali Miqo'te seem like they don't follow their Eorezan counterparts rules. Koana's late parents being a good example of both a singular male and female Miqo'te getting together to have a child and jointly raise him

Even more conspicuous, there's the family from the caster role quest, with the parents referring to each other as their husband/wife. (Though it's not entirely clear whether they're traditional Hhetsarro or not, as they don't dress like the Mehwahhetsoan group and we don't learn anything about their home beyond that they revere their particular totem.)


Regarding male Keepers, Mikko has already covered most of the lore we have on that, but I'll add that the clan as a whole seems limited to the Twelveswood so there just isn't much opportunity to encounter them. I assume (can't remember if we have a source) that they may tend to be working in the forest as hunters and such.

I made a list of existing characters when I was writing my expanded naming guide for Keepers and the male characters we know about include several squadron members, a Gridanian Hearer, a captain of the Gods' Quiver, a Sharlayan researcher, an adventurer and that guy from the beast tribe capstone quests.

[Andevom]

I don't think that is necessarily "lore-breaking".

Sun Seeker Tias and Moon Keeper males generally being wanderers makes them easy candidates for being adventurers so I think they'd have a higher percentage of representation amongst adventurers than census percentages would otherwise suggest.

Just like how the amount of Viera, Au Ra, and Hrothgar NPCs in Eorzea can be counted on one hand and they're not native to the region, but adventurers of those races would exist since the lore established them being here as displaced mercenaries or refugees and like male Miqo'te, easy adventurers.

They had to account for the amount of players creating characters of those races, so they tacked on anything they could like "Oh uh...the men are wanderers. Yeah! That's it!" It was not something established from the get-go because they didn't anticipate the need.

The point is, it's a silly move in an MMO to make any gender of a playable race "scarce" in your lore because you either lock yourself out of letting people play as that gender in the future, or you have to write in a bunch of excuses when you make it available. The only reason it was done initially was because you couldn't play as male Mithra (or female Galka), and they wanted to justify that.

[TakoyakiLala]

In the postmoogle quests, when confronted with the notion of a Moon Keeper King, one of the sisters mentions how unnatural it sounds to have the Couerlclaws revolve around him and how they’re typically wanderers.

“The men of the Keepers of the Moon live a wanderer's life, for they are at their best in small doses. Women and children keep the hearth, ply various trades, and accept game and visits from the menfolk.

But King Poach denies women this gods-given rule over matters of family. He forces women to live with him, forbids them to see their sisters, mothers, aunts. Most unnaturally, they lie with him and him alone!”

Maybe this where I wound up getting my information wrong and wound up misremembering. Either way, thanks for the informative clear up and reintroduction of Keepr of the Moon lore!

Even more conspicuous, there's the family from the caster role quest, with the parents referring to each other as their husband/wife. (Though it's not entirely clear whether they're traditional Hhetsarro or not, as they don't dress like the Mehwahhetsoan group and we don't learn anything about their home beyond that they revere their particular totem.)


Regarding male Keepers, Mikko has already covered most of the lore we have on that, but I'll add that the clan as a whole seems limited to the Twelveswood so there just isn't much opportunity to encounter them. I assume (can't remember if we have a source) that they may tend to be working in the forest as hunters and such.

I made a list of existing characters when I was writing my expanded naming guide for Keepers and the male characters we know about include several squadron members, a Gridanian Hearer, a captain of the Gods' Quiver, a Sharlayan researcher, an adventurer and that guy from the beast tribe capstone quests.

I forgot about those two! :O

I think Leih Aliapoh from the Archer's guild quests mentions how Keepers had a tradition with archery and hunting. Though, I'm going off of things from what I can vaguely remember.

Wow, that really is few and far between, lol!

[Averax]

They also constantly forget that being the Nunh does not equate to being the leader of a given tribe. It just means that you are the male allowed to reproduce. It's also said that one's duties as a nunh might make a leadership role difficult, so they are often separate roles. However every leader of a sun seeker tribe we've ever seen has been a Nunh.

They also say that Keeper Miqo'te prefer to live areas with a clear open view of the moon. Yet they all live in the black shroud, which is named as such because it's shrouded by a canopy trees