We need to do something about Tanks and Outgoing Damage from Bosses

[Asako]

I assume if you want to remove mitigation from tanks so the healers can do their job you are also on board with removing all DPS attacks from Healers, we wouldn't want them doing a DPS job now. Should the Tanks also stop attacking when they get aggro as they also aren't DPS players? You see how silly this mentality is?

How about doing your job and stop crying about it. If you died you died, don't blame other players for not dying. It is what it is. You're level 100 now. You should have a general idea of how to read most attacks and adapt. Some things will blindside you and that's ok. Just enjoy the show and try and watch what others are doing to see where you went wrong. This whole 'Why am I being punished because I messed up?' concept is mind boggling.

Also this talk of Tanks being so super strong is silly too, especially when it comes from healers. Healers in this game are absolutely busted. They have so many tools now that you practically never cast GCD healing anymore. They have absolutely every tool under the sun needed, so if you are dying instead of looking at the Tanks and complaining, I'd be looking at the healers saying, how did that happen? What went wrong? Tanking and Healing are the two easiest roles to play for a reason. They just have so many tools to do their jobs, unfortunately 14 is a game where they never teach nor give newer players a chance to learn how to play properly. They just escort you by the hand through all casual content with no worries in the world. ' Oh, That NM trial pull took you 20 minutes, yeah that was good enough, on you go, you don't need to learn anything'

Boss enrages for normal modes need to come back. For too long have people been coasting along whilst learning nothing and dragging content out. Maybe have it so there is no enrage if you use Trust. I miss the good old days of those near misses in Alexander normal when you think you are gonna do it then you see the Auto-Clean cast coming and you just know it aint happenning. People are afraid of wiping now, but it teaches you a lot and it really drills in the mechanics. A lot of these mechanics repeat in various fights so it's not a one off thing, these are things you take to future fights and adapt with.

Even with positioning, it's mind boggling to see people get a spread mechanic at higher levels and still trip over themselves without knowing their postions. If you are Melee you go in, and ranged go out, tanks and healers on cardinals, ranged dps north and melee dps south intercardinals.

I play with the Ivan Drago mindset. "If he dies....he dies"

[Supersnow845]

I assume if you want to remove mitigation from tanks so the healers can do their job you are also on board with removing all DPS attacks from Healers, we wouldn't want them doing a DPS job now. Should the Tanks also stop attacking when they get aggro as they also aren't DPS players? You see how silly this mentality is?

How about doing your job and stop crying about it. If you died you died, don't blame other players for not dying. It is what it is. You're level 100 now. You should have a general idea of how to read most attacks and adapt. Some things will blindside you and that's ok. Just enjoy the show and try and watch what others are doing to see where you went wrong. This whole 'Why am I being punished because I messed up?' concept is mind boggling.

Also this talk of Tanks being so super strong is silly too, especially when it comes from healers. Healers in this game are absolutely busted. They have so many tools now that you practically never cast GCD healing anymore. They have absolutely every tool under the sun needed, so if you are dying instead of looking at the Tanks and complaining, I'd be looking at the healers saying, how did that happen? What went wrong? Tanking and Healing are the two easiest roles to play for a reason. They just have so many tools to do their jobs, unfortunately 14 is a game where they never teach nor give newer players a chance to learn how to play properly. They just escort you by the hand through all casual content with no worries in the world. ' Oh, That NM trial pull took you 20 minutes, yeah that was good enough, on you go, you don't need to learn anything'

Boss enrages for normal modes need to come back. For too long have people been coasting along whilst learning nothing and dragging content out. Maybe have it so there is no enrage if you use Trust. I miss the good old days of those near misses in Alexander normal when you think you are gonna do it then you see the Auto-Clean cast coming and you just know it aint happenning. People are afraid of wiping now, but it teaches you a lot and it really drills in the mechanics. A lot of these mechanics repeat in various fights so it's not a one off thing, these are things you take to future fights and adapt with.

Even with positioning, it's mind boggling to see people get a spread mechanic at higher levels and still trip over themselves without knowing their postions. If you are Melee you go in, and ranged go out, tanks and healers on cardinals, ranged dps north and melee dps south intercardinals.

I play with the Ivan Drago mindset. "If he dies....he dies"

“If you die just watch other players”

(Please ignore I have 600% eHP because I have twice the HP 80% damage down and mitigation)

Are you hurling yourself off the arena if you get clipped by an attack because if not you are surviving based on tanks inherent strength, not being better than anyone else

The punishment for messing up should be a wipe, not watching the immortal tanks solo the boss because they physically can’t die

[Asako]

“If you die just watch other players”

(Please ignore I have 600% eHP because I have twice the HP 80% damage down and mitigation)

Are you hurling yourself off the arena if you get clipped by an attack because if not you are surviving based on tanks inherent strength, not being better than anyone else

The punishment for messing up should be a wipe, not watching the immortal tanks solo the boss because they physically can’t die

Yes, if you die watch other players. Absolutely, you chose the role you entered with, I didn't pick your role. That is not my problem if you got hit with something you shouldn't have and didn't pop your own self healing or healing potions. To me healers are in the same boat, I feel absolutely invincible when I play healer. I have everything I need to sustain and mitigate for everyone on short CD's, I can do incredible damage. The rare times I die on healer is down to me doing something stupid and not because the job is weak. Never mind Tanks, healers are as busted as they come.

Yoshi P has not punished people with wipes since HW. The community is too casual now. People simply do not want to learn.

[Supersnow845]

Yes, if you die watch other players. Absolutely, you chose the role you entered with, I didn't pick your role. That is not my problem if you got hit with something you shouldn't have and didn't pop your own self healing or healing potions. To me healers are in the same boat, I feel absolutely invincible when I play healer. I have everything I need to sustain and mitigate for everyone on short CD's, I can do incredible damage. The rare times I die on healer is down to me doing something stupid and not because the job is weak. Never mind Tanks, healers are as busted as they come.

Yoshi P has not punished people with wipes since HW. The community is too casual now. People simply do not want to learn.

“Yoshi p hasn’t punished people with wipes since HW”

No now you just get punished with tank soloing which everyone except tanks agree is worse. What a fantastic trade

And the situations are not always in your control. Quite often I’m a DPS on the new raids and the stack marker is coming up with only 4-5 people alive, tempra coat is strong but not that strong. What am I supposed to do in that situation. Because yesterday I had 2 tanks solo M6 for 10 minutes till they eventually died to a stack marker because the rest of the party died to an earlier stack marker because there wasn’t enough people alive. What did I do “wrong” in that situation? What was I supposed to do?

[Asako]

“Yoshi p hasn’t punished people with wipes since HW”

No now you just get punished with tank soloing which everyone except tanks agree is worse. What a fantastic trade

And the situations are not always in your control. Quite often I’m a DPS on the new raids and the stack marker is coming up with only 4-5 people alive, tempra coat is strong but not that strong. What am I supposed to do in that situation. Because yesterday I had 2 tanks solo M6 for 10 minutes till they eventually died to a stack marker because the rest of the party died to an earlier stack marker because there wasn’t enough people alive. What did I do “wrong” in that situation? What was I supposed to do?

How is the Tanks not dying a punishment for you? You died and you are making it out that it's their fault.

There wasn't enough people for the stack and you stacked anyway and you died. If the stack marker was on you why did you stack with the other people knowing you were going to kill them? Your healers should have known there wasn't enough people for the stack and not stacked so they could do their job. How is any of this the Tanks fault? You chose to play Pictomancer and traded your Rez for damage, that is part of the risk reward when you make your job choice. You choose a selfish DPS job yet expect special treatment when the drawbacks of said choice come back to bite you. You are free to play what you like but understand certain jobs have drawbacks. You made that choice, not the Tanks you play with. Absolutely ridiculous to blame another player just because they are playing their job correctly and wont die for you. If you want to play caster try Summoner or Red Mage, they can rez people and you will never have to suffer this rare occasion again.

[Supersnow845]

How is the Tanks not dying a punishment for you? You died and you are making it out that it's their fault.

There wasn't enough people for the stack and you stacked anyway and you died. If the stack marker was on you why did you stack with the other people knowing you were going to kill them? Your healers should have known there wasn't enough people for the stack and not stacked so they could do their job. How is any of this the Tanks fault? You chose to play Pictomancer and traded your Rez for damage, that is part of the risk reward when you make your job choice. You choose a selfish DPS job yet expect special treatment when the drawbacks of said choice come back to bite you. You are free to play what you like but understand certain jobs have drawbacks. You made that choice, not the Tanks you play with. Absolutely ridiculous to blame another player just because they are playing their job correctly and wont die for you. If you want to play caster try Summoner or Red Mage, they can rez people and you will never have to suffer this rare occasion again.

Honey the last time stacked stack markers didn’t track alive people was SB

If you don’t stack with a stacked stack marker when everyone else dies it just sends it to you

[Asako]

Honey? Really? That's how far we've got, have to get a sly dig in somewhere. Nice of you to assume that I am female for some reason. Really helps your cause making you look like an absolute clown.
Also stack markers are solo hits. You're thinking of multi hit stacks which function quite differentely, they aren't the same. Where is this secret fight then that only has one of these every 10 minutes? Tanks cant really survive those multi hit stacks either even with their cooldowns unless they have their invun, and that's on a 5-7 minute cooldown. So either there is a fight out there that only has one of them every 5 minutes or someone is telling me porkies. Warrior could maybe do it with well timed Bloodwhetting and a mix of cooldowns but your average Tank isn't pulling that off. Let's stop pretending that every Tank player is a superstar.

So what would you like then? You wanna make Tanks weaker again so no one plays them again like ARR / HW days when there was a Tank shortage? You want Tanks to die for no reason because the majority of healers in 14 aren't very good at their jobs? I mean, we're having this converstation right now because healers with all their endless tools cant do simple healing or mitigation. It's the sad reality of healers.

Better yet, lets make it so no one feels left out and just make it so when a single player dies the entire party wipes. It's not fair right that they have to sit on the floor and watch whilst they wait for a player to raise them. That's not right at all in your books it seems.

[HyperiusUltima]

You are free to play what you like but understand certain jobs have drawbacks. You made that choice, not the Tanks you play with. Absolutely ridiculous to blame another player just because they are playing their job correctly and wont die for you. If you want to play caster try Summoner or Red Mage, they can rez people and you will never have to suffer this rare occasion again.

Gee, I wonder what job doesn't have drawbacks? That's right: Tanks. Maybe you should reconsider what you're saying because making the choice to play a DPS is because it's fun - and generally, choosing to play tank can be fun too. The only issue is when you're sitting on the floor unable to press anything. If anything, you might as well be watching a Twitch Stream of the game you're playing because you aren't playing at all when you're dead - but the tanks are playing the game.

You just aren't because you're dead on the floor with the rest of your team.