Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Onidemon]

What will happen when you release an incomplete expansion, then pull most of your team from that game to work on a new game? It would slow down production now wouldn't it? It's WELL KNOWN the original XIV team was primarily the XI team, much like now do you really think SE decided:

"Well FFXI don't really need a dev team, so lets get rid of all of them"?




Tech demos are for platform testing purposes only. Where's FFVII for the PS3? It's been 6 years since that demo, using your logic in stating 5 years is plenty of time they're overdue for releasing if a tech demo isn't just for platform testing, no? By the way, that demo was on the Xbox 360, yet we're playing a PC version.

Tech demos are not a promise of an actual game but yes they do turn into actual games sometimes. FF7 was never intended for a remake, SE said they won't do it. So that PS3 demo was just that, a demo. Doesn't mean at all that this is the case for every tech demo out there.

[Hyrist]

For as many people who doomsay version 2.0 (Hi, Dragon, nice to see you being a negative Nancy again.) There is one, undeniable thing that Yoshi has above Tanaka.

He's guiding the company forward as a more open and consumer friendly environment.

Not the game, but the entire tone of these forms in general on behalf of the FFXIV team has been far lighter than FFXI's side for the bulk of the time both sites have been open. Camate, Bayone can probably attest to the fequency of communications and the depth of conversation is often a log heavier on this side than it is on FFXI's forums - and that's primarily due to Yoshi's own influence, where as Tanaka is more tight-lipped.

For me, that's a tremendous benefit, and a major advantage in Yoshi's favor regardless of the outcome of 2.0.

[syntaxlies]

will somebody please lock this stupid thread.

[Onidemon]

For as many people who doomsay version 2.0 (Hi, Dragon, nice to see you being a negative Nancy again.) There is one, undeniable thing that Yoshi has above Tanaka.

He's guiding the company forward as a more open and consumer friendly environment.

Not the game, but the entire tone of these forms in general on behalf of the FFXIV team has been far lighter than FFXI's side for the bulk of the time both sites have been open. Camate, Bayone can probably attest to the fequency of communications and the depth of conversation is often a log heavier on this side than it is on FFXI's forums - and that's primarily due to Yoshi's own influence, where as Tanaka is more tight-lipped.

For me, that's a tremendous benefit, and a major advantage in Yoshi's favor regardless of the outcome of 2.0.

The biggest thing Yoshi has over Tanaka is MMO experiance from a user's point of view. Tanaka doesn't play MMOs, he admited hearing of WOW and seeing a bit but never played and wasn't interested in it. All he knows is XI which was a ripoff EQ1 and while it was good for its time 8 years ago, the MMO scene changed and what was good back then is unacceptable now in 2012.

Yoshi-P is a gamer, he played WOW and other MMOs. He knows how it's done, what is popular, what draws in the casuals and what this game needs now in 2012. Tanaka had very narrow vision of things. He wanted a new MMO, that doesn't resemble XI but he knew nothing of the MMO scene and assumed he knew what we all wanted.

Yes i am bringing WOW a lot, but when you got a world wide reputation like WOW with 15M subs, you must think they did something right somewhere and giving it at least a look won't hurt. You gotta see what the competition is bringing in order for you to surpass them. This is what everyone does in any business, car makers, electronics, phones etc.... You don't see Samsung coming out with a phone with specs from 1999 and claiming they didn't know what apple or anyone else had out there. RIM on the other hand did just that and look where they are now.

[Dragon]

For as many people who doomsay version 2.0 (Hi, Dragon, nice to see you being a negative Nancy again.)

Aren't you quite the hypocrite, just like your Yoshi-fanclub, as always.

[Onidemon]

Aren't you quite the hypocrite, just like your Yoshi-fanclub, as always.

Just go back to XI. Tanaka makes awesome offline RPGs, some of my all time favorites like Xenogears but for MMO he sucks.

[Dragon]

Just go back to XI. Tanaka makes awesome offline RPGs, some of my all time favorites like Xenogears but for MMO he sucks.

I would be more than willing to go back to XI, because at least it was an MMORPG and not an online single-player game. But hey, as has been said a million times plus in the past on this board, I can't just go back and play FFXI because it is no longer what was Final Fantasy XI.

[Holland]

I like how Elexia has all those facts "everyone knows". Can I get a link to your sources please?. I never resort to this, but please, stop talking out of your ass. No one outside of SE will ever know what happened with FFXIV, you can speculate and defend all you want, but the undeniable truth is: The game failed and Tanaka admitted his fault in public and officially.

As much as you are praising Tanaka for his vision, you are actually calling him a liar, hypocrite and weak minded person because none of you accepts his oficial statement accepting the whole blame for the blunder FFXIV was. You are content in saying he was bullied by Wada to take the blame.. For what!? so he could keep his job? ... You think a game developer is willing to stake his dignity and credentials to keep a job? for real!?.

I actually have respect for Tanaka in coming out and accepting the blame.

P.S: Rokien, it seems you are enjoying the fame you have acquired in the forums. You're including your name in the title of your threads, as if you knew people will flock to your threads to disagree with you and start a whole debate, etc. I've seen some of your comments about preffering the previous vision of the game and such. It is your opinion, but I am starting to think you are just posting to be a contrarian and start as much "flame wars" as possible. You used to have interesting point of views, now, all I see is you enjoying the spotlight.

[Onidemon]

I would be more than willing to go back to XI, because at least it was an MMORPG and not an online single-player game. But hey, as has been said a million times plus in the past on this board, I can't just go back and play FFXI because it is no longer what was Final Fantasy XI.

Agreed and it will never be what it was nor will XIV fill in that role or be anything like what XI was. Just like i left WOW because it was dumbed down so much it's awful and i'm sick of repeating the same stupid cycle over and over. I didn't come in to XIV wishing it will be like WOW, i'm hoping for something very different than WOW but i'm also expecting it to be enjoyable and good.

[bobbygunz]

Agreed and it will never be what it was nor will XIV fill in that role or be anything like what XI was. Just like i left WOW because it was dumbed down so much it's awful and i'm sick of repeating the same stupid cycle over and over. I didn't come in to XIV wishing it will be like WOW, i'm hoping for something very different than WOW but i'm also expecting it to be enjoyable and good.

Haha, you say you want ffxiv to be unlike WoW, yet you just told Tanaka to go make FFXIV like WoW!