Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Mack]

Are you guys serious? Tanaka didn't get call in September telling him the deadline is in a couple weeks, he knew long before, so the failures of the game fall on his shoulders. Furthermore, this game has been released for over 6 months now and it still has no content, so on top of the fact that the game was buggy, lame and generally crappy at release, they didn't even have much in the works for it at that point in terms of content - this tells me that they realistically thought that people would be completely happy with guildleves...they're delusional and I still hate guildleves and how central a role they play in the game. Tanaka sucks, period. I loved FFXI but he didn't make an FFXI he made a broken and a half of a game that is FFXIV and I don't want to play any more of his games no matter what they are.

On top of this, I don't care who is at the helm to be honest (apart from Tanaka). Yoshi-P isn't the second coming of Christ, he's not special because "he connects with the fans", he's a SE employee and he's doing what's told of him. Trust me, the old dev team and the new dev team are one and the same save for a few people and any additions to the team over time (which happen whether Tanaka or whoever was leading, not because they needed fresh faces) - you can bet that Tanaka is still very much involved with this game. Anyway, you guys need to be patient, this game is in beta still and the one time you can truly judge it is at PS3 release.

[Betelgeuzah]

I don't know, maybe you are actually quite close with the synergy talk after all. The 2 games are more interconnected than you might think. We share the same community reps, for example. The forums started at the same time, so they are co-operating with each other. It's still the same development division (3 iirc), led by Tanaka as far as I'm aware.

[Joeking]

Since you guys can't decide someone should put a picture of both, on one of those Hot or Not websites and lets them decide its fair that way.

[toshimoog]

I also think that Tanaka and Yoshida should both work together on the project. Who's to say Tanaka will never come back? I think it would be neat to see them both share the head position.

[Warp]

I love FFXI.. but then Tanaka delivered the epic fail know as FFXIV... so I'm all for Yoshida on this one.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ffxi after reading about ff1 was more similar to that one. I never played it so idk much about it. ff14 seems to fit the mold a lil bit based on what I read and the sc movies I saw. But its more similar to ff11 than any of the single player ff games. I would like to play it tbh and really see if it got the ff feel myself. I hate my pc and it breaking on me. ><

tbh i was a fan of the chrono games more. i like the story lines and how you travels to different demensions. chronocross was my fav because of the music. Same for ff8 I connected with squalls character alot as I was very much the same. I also cried to eyes on me at the end credits. I tried very hard not to.

[Peregrine]

So the only thing Yoshida has said is that he's got the ideas about the ships and cakes, but doesn't have how to implement them. Tanaka's the kind of guy who will insert gems, of his own volition with no prodding, into games and make them work, which is something we're severely lacking right now. He is so comfortable in the role that his brain is free for innovative thought, where a lesser producer or designer would be tied up in the phycisal making of the game as a stable product.

Battle regimens are actually pretty amazing things with ridiculous potential. I really hope they don't die out, but they almost certainly will. We use them constantly in NM fighting. DIfferent versions for each NM, actually. That system is almost limitless in the unique battle strats that could be developed. If you really had your stuff together, you could put every debilitation out there on the mob in a single reginen and absolutely DESTROY the thing. We're just scratching the surface of the battle regimens. That is what Tanaka is about. Shut up and listen, and you'll see. And he's right. Our shell is seeing. Finally.

I'm sure Tanaka was the one who wanted gigantic cakes. Incapacitations sound gimmicky but are again pretty amazing things with a lot of potential. They open up avenues of gameplay you've not seen in a MMO before.

It all makes sense in his head, and he is usually right. Tanaka's going to end up being right I think. If we would just shut up and listen, a lot of times we'd see what he was thinking. But he is absolutely HORRIBLE in getting us to the point where we play what he's thinking. Tanaka's almost too good at revolution and not good enough at politics. He knows exactly what a masterpiece would look like, and what this genre needs, but can't get from here to there without pissing off 3 million people who don't understand.

I don't think that Yoshida has the experience and balls to inject this game with the bold strokes that Tanaka knew the genre was ripe for. I see battle regimens being scrapped for a more generic and safe little combo system. I see pretty standard content from here on out. 7/10. 8/10. 7/10. 8/10. We do the motions. We all agree that yeah it's pretty good.

But is it XI? Okok this is XIV, not XI-2, but is this of that STUFF? Tanaka owns the number two MMO of all time. It ain't everquest. It's XI. That thing only jumped the shark when he was pulled to make this game. How does that happen?

I'm wary. I see a young producer capable of safe successes. I'm a big fan of Tanaka. He made the game that need made 8 years ago. I think he just needed more help making the game that needs made today.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

my questio to all.
What is a final fantasy game? What does one look like?

I played 7 8 9 10 10.2 12 13 crystal chronicals 1 and some of the one with cicel. (it was with chrono trigger)

No game looked the same or had the same lore. Only things it did have were repeating characters. chocobo moogles cid summons. each world was on the brink of war of some kind, just after a war, or in a war.
most the main characters consisted of a stoic male with a hidden past. a child hood friend/ love interst who also had a hidden past. A silent character who kept in the shadows. A hyper childish character, a leader, and comic relief.

typically the main character always sufferes the loss of a loved one. But must put aside their grief to save the world. Who typical is a villan gone completely crazy over tragic happening or is just plain insane.

ffxi didn't really have a ton of what I just listen. Maybe the insane bad guy. Like shadow lord, the duke (flamboyent girly man), and thats as far as I know.

[Randis]

What makes you guys think that a single person is creating all ideas and content of a game? It certainly sounds this way...

[Reika]

True Randis. Neither could ignore the ideas of the rest of the development team and just do their own thing. Yoshi-P is actually better for listening to the players and putting forth more effort to communicate.