Rival Wings Roulette

[BrianRicardo]

The content is too difficult for the average player. It's the same reason why an extreme trial or savage content roulette does not exist.

The average player will not understand or care to understand mechs or any other map mechanics. It would not be enjoyable for anyone. People will just do it for quick rewards. We already have a lot of people AFK in frontlines, RW is worst because it's smaller scale.

Better ways to get more people playing would be new rewards, new map or bring back old map. Fun achievements could be cool too, "Destroy 100 Oppressors" and so forth.

[Menriq]

The content is too difficult for the average player. It's the same reason why an extreme trial or savage content roulette does not exist.

The average player will not understand or care to understand mechs or any other map mechanics. It would not be enjoyable for anyone. People will just do it for quick rewards. We already have a lot of people AFK in frontlines, RW is worst because it's smaller scale.

Better ways to get more people playing would be new rewards, new map or bring back old map. Fun achievements could be cool too, "Destroy 100 Oppressors" and so forth.

Somewhat related, but I wish they would go back to having smaller teams. I enjoyed the 24 man versus the 72 ones because it felt like what I did mattered more. It's both a blessing and a curse in 72 man right now because it's hard to determine what a specific person is doing, especially if they are in a different alliance group. With smaller groups, it's easier to see if someone is not contributing.

[TofuLove]

The content is too difficult for the average player. It's the same reason why an extreme trial or savage content roulette does not exist.

I strongly disagree that it's too difficult - i think a lot of it is to do with how long it takes for community to get good in a mode that doesn't pop for half a year.
If SE wanted people to have an opportunity to get good in a mode - add the mechs to Wolf Den Pier, so we could practice or even understand what the buttons do!

The reason why extreme trial or savage content roulette doesn't exist is that it doesn't reward not clearing - and you want to describe prog points and you want to describe strats you will use or team comp you want - rival wings doesn't have any of those issues. I think you are comparing apples and oranges.

[BrianRicardo]

I strongly disagree that it's too difficult - i think a lot of it is to do with how long it takes for community to get good in a mode that doesn't pop for half a year.
If SE wanted people to have an opportunity to get good in a mode - add the mechs to Wolf Den Pier, so we could practice or even understand what the buttons do!

The reason why extreme trial or savage content roulette doesn't exist is that it doesn't reward not clearing - and you want to describe prog points and you want to describe strats you will use or team comp you want - rival wings doesn't have any of those issues. I think you are comparing apples and oranges.

We are saying the same thing.

We both agree that it's a community/player base thing. I do not personally believe it to be hard either. I do think a Hall of Novice for PvP would be massive. But, it does not change the fact that it's not there right now and we both agree that it's a mess to just plop a roulette on content that need guidance and understanding.

That is your opinion on why difficult content does not have a roulette. Because Extreme Trials can come up in mentor roulette. With the idea that mentors are more experienced in the game and can help newer players.

[TofuLove]

But, it does not change the fact that it's not there right now and we both agree that it's a mess to just plop a roulette on content that need guidance and understanding.

I actually don't think that's a problem, currently it's a mess that doesn't pop. At least it could be a mess that pops somewhat

[Mawlzy]

I actually don't think that's a problem, currently it's a mess that doesn't pop. At least it could be a mess that pops somewhat

Discord tends to be protective of its niche content.

[Teno]

RW -when it pops during events- already has some friction with new players due to the various gimmicks and mechanics, even more when said newbies pick up mechs they don't know what to do with (or conversely, when no one mechs up), or when they smack a tower by hand for no reason.

I'd love a roulette but realistically in a 1v1 scenario it can be very frustrating for one side if there's a snowball, much more so than FL. Frontline works because it's tri-faction, and tri-faction always has this third party that can shake things up and adds an element of rng/unknown in random matchmaking.

[TofuLove]

RW -when it pops during events- already has some friction with new players due to the various gimmicks and mechanics, even more when said newbies pick up mechs they don't know what to do with (or conversely, when no one mechs up), or when they smack a tower by hand for no reason.

I'd love a roulette but realistically in a 1v1 scenario it can be very frustrating for one side if there's a snowball, much more so than FL. Frontline works because it's tri-faction, and tri-faction always has this third party that can shake things up and adds an element of rng/unknown in random matchmaking.

Let's be honest, mogtome events are bad indicators of quality gameplay for any mode. Frontline during mogtome is equally not great.

[Mawlzy]

The content is too difficult for the average player. It's the same reason why an extreme trial or savage content roulette does not exist.

The average player will not understand or care to understand mechs or any other map mechanics. It would not be enjoyable for anyone. People will just do it for quick rewards. We already have a lot of people AFK in frontlines, RW is worst because it's smaller scale.

Better ways to get more people playing would be new rewards, new map or bring back old map. Fun achievements could be cool too, "Destroy 100 Oppressors" and so forth.

Alternatively, a well-respected PvPer could make a video guide explaining what is going on.

Based on FL I'd suggest the last thing you'd want to do is offer more rewards.

[BrianRicardo]

I made one of the most used/viewed Rival Wings Guide on YouTube. Square Enix even pushed my discord at the time as a place to get help.

But, again on a roulette the average player is not going to look up guides or ask for help. (That's fine and I think by design)