Patch 7.1 Discussions

[Cleretic]

About the Ascian remains, do we know if they only kept one active shard per Ascian? Our 3 main boys where special, but the others were basically throw away tools... maybe they actvated more, especially considering the flow of time - i imagine doing any plans when there might be centuries between the shards within the time you find a new host...?

We saw a meeting between all thirteen of them--and there were distinctly only thirteen, there weren't like five Mitrons. Technically speaking we didn't get a roll call, so it's theoretically possible there were multiple Altimas in that meeting, but I find that very doubtful.

And genuinely, the only thing more tragic and disappointing than the developers going 'actually it's one of the other Ascians' would be them going 'actually it's literally a second Nabriales'.

[mallleable]

A direction I hope they take with Gulool ja is that he resigns as king, and teams up with Shale, and repurposes Oblivion to locate, and give back the memories of the departed back to the people of Alexandria where he can use his skills with computers to help people.

[Iscah]

A direction I hope they take with Gulool ja is that he resigns as king, and teams up with Shale, and repurposes Oblivion to locate, and give back the memories of the departed back to the people of Alexandria where he can use his skills with computers to help people.

Nice idea overall, though he doesn't have to abdicate to achieve the rest of it. If anything, still being king might be helpful – if nothing else it probably comes with system admin rights.

[Cleretic]

A direction I hope they take with Gulool ja is that he resigns as king, and teams up with Shale, and repurposes Oblivion to locate, and give back the memories of the departed back to the people of Alexandria where he can use his skills with computers to help people.

I feel like this is the 'wrapped up in a neat bow' ending, but I'm not sure Alexandria's gonna get that. Most countries in the game haven't gotten that; they're left with lingering flaws and wounds that aren't cleanly resolved (probably because they wouldn't lead to a boss fight), to come back to later. Hell, that's what all the Endwalker role quests were about. I'd say the only nation that gets to walk away happy with everything is the Crystarium, and... honestly, it's a big reason why I don't much like the Crystarium.

I suspect that the situation with the Endless and people's memories of the departed are gonna factor in, though. It won't be easily resolved, especially because the Arcadion is building on the notion that the memory situation is still there, but it's one of my leading suspects for where I think this storyline's gonna lead.

After all, if you're gonna rev up a Final Fantasy XIV version of Necron, it's gonna be hard to find a better place to start than 'an entire nation's worth of unwillingly and unjustly forgotten ghosts'.

[Kuroka]

We saw a meeting between all thirteen of them--and there were distinctly only thirteen, there weren't like five Mitrons. Technically speaking we didn't get a roll call, so it's theoretically possible there were multiple Altimas in that meeting, but I find that very doubtful.

And genuinely, the only thing more tragic and disappointing than the developers going 'actually it's one of the other Ascians' would be them going 'actually it's literally a second Nabriales'.

The Problem is we dont know how they usually do it, all we know is they can switch worlds, but also they only need their "jobcrystal" to awake an Ascian shard... considering the time dilation i would imagine there are more then one sometimes, if they happen to find a fitting soul? It just sucks they got finished off before we could get some finer details...

[MikkoAkure]

The Problem is we dont know how they usually do it, all we know is they can switch worlds, but also they only need their "jobcrystal" to awake an Ascian shard... considering the time dilation i would imagine there are more then one sometimes, if they happen to find a fitting soul? It just sucks they got finished off before we could get some finer details...

Considering how the main group of red-masked Ascians were a direct descendent of the Convocation which specifically has 13 seats, I highly doubt they would mantle multiple shards of the same seat into Ascians. Especially since the whole point of their plans was Rejoining and if they have multiple shards of the same person as Ascians running around, that would become messy and run against their whole plan.

There’s supposedly black-masked Ascians still out there, but the writers seem to have abandoned that plot line.

[Cleretic]

The Problem is we dont know how they usually do it, all we know is they can switch worlds, but also they only need their "jobcrystal" to awake an Ascian shard... considering the time dilation i would imagine there are more then one sometimes, if they happen to find a fitting soul? It just sucks they got finished off before we could get some finer details...

The change in the flow of time between shards, by all appearances, appears to be 'always forward but at different speeds'. So no, there would never have been a point where 'time dilation' means there's two Igeyorhms.

And the Ascians are essentially tied with the Garlean Empire for being the longest-lived, most written antagonists in the game. Hell, I'm pretty sure their per-word story weight outdoes the Scions. You might want 'finer details', but let's not act like they were cut short and not given enough screentime to discuss everything important: they had more than enough space for the writers to cover as much ground as they wanted. Anything they didn't cover was stuff the writers didn't see as worth it, not stuff that they just 'didn't get to'. Especially something like this, which I'm gonna be honest, is in-the-margins ruling nonsense for a situation that never happened.

Considering how the main group of red-masked Ascians were a direct descendent of the Convocation which specifically has 13 seats, I highly doubt they would mantle multiple shards of the same seat into Ascians. Especially since the whole point of their plans was Rejoining and if they have multiple shards of the same person as Ascians running around, that would become messy and run against their whole plan.

There’s supposedly black-masked Ascians still out there, but the writers seem to have abandoned that plot line.

Also, this does make me realize that, yeah, it's a simple matter of who we're talking about: the Ascians are self-important and exalt a very specific governmental structure that they all used to be part of (at least, to a relative degree). They would not elevate more than thirteen core Ascians because they just believe that thirteen is the correct number. And in fairness, thirteen of them did the job pretty well for about twelve thousand years! We frequently forget that on their time scale, the Ascians went from 100% to 'utterly turbo-dead' REALLY fast, it's only during the events of the game that they start dying.

And as for the black-maskers, I feel like they're pretty much done. They were a cult controlled by their leaders, and with those leaders gone, I always just assumed they burned out. Might be nice to hear it in text, but I know I'm not begging for them to become big antagonists, especially because they'd feel so disappointing. The Ascians are done, they had their big dramatic climax and finale; do we really benefit from introducing more, lower-budget Ascians? Because to me that feels like shark-jumping.

[mallleable]

I feel like this is the 'wrapped up in a neat bow' ending, but I'm not sure Alexandria's gonna get that. Most countries in the game haven't gotten that; they're left with lingering flaws and wounds that aren't cleanly resolved (probably because they wouldn't lead to a boss fight), to come back to later. Hell, that's what all the Endwalker role quests were about. I'd say the only nation that gets to walk away happy with everything is the Crystarium, and... honestly, it's a big reason why I don't much like the Crystarium.

I suspect that the situation with the Endless and people's memories of the departed are gonna factor in, though. It won't be easily resolved, especially because the Arcadion is building on the notion that the memory situation is still there, but it's one of my leading suspects for where I think this storyline's gonna lead.

Yeah, I would imagine it would be like they only give back memories to only those who want them back.

After all, if you're gonna rev up a Final Fantasy XIV version of Necron, it's gonna be hard to find a better place to start than 'an entire nation's worth of unwillingly and unjustly forgotten ghosts'.

Everyone with a Neo Regulator is 100% gonna botnet together, and summon Necron.

[Moomba33]

So FFXI has a free login campaign right now, and when I logged in I found out they have an event going on right now for the 23rd anniversary of the game which references the Jeuno raid in XIV.

Prishe's boots are available to players for login points, and SE had a message to players written in character as Prishe:

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...12/detail.html

Yo! How's it going, fellow adventurer? It's me, Prishe--your trusted partner through thick and thin!

Did you hear the news? FINAL FANTASY XI's coming up on its 23rd anniversary. It feels like just yesterday that we were going on our first adventure together. I guess it's like they always say: time flies when you're having fun.

Those days we spent together were a blast. It was never a dull moment out there by your side. So thanks for that!

Oh, that reminds me... You'll never believe the dream I had last night. In it, the two of us were going on an adventure all across Vana'diel!

We rode chocobos from Lower Jeuno and then headed out to the Boyahda Tree. After that, I nearly jumped out of my boots when we came across a giant wyvern!

Then we were exploring a great hall featuring a statue of Lady Altana herself, followed by some ancient ruins... And before I knew it, we were somehow soaring through the sky! It felt like we were birds or something.

Our next stop was the Shadow Lord's castle. Fortunately, that big pushover was no match for the two of us together! Lastly, we took in the sights as we looked out over Tavnazia from Blueblade Fell. The whole day was like some epic adventure! Isn't that the best dream ever!?

But wait, there's more! I was thinking it'd be nice if you could go out on an exciting adventure like the one we had in my dream.

To that end, I got you an awesome pair of boots! I personally vouch for these babies. They're the best you'll ever own. If you rock them on your next outing, you'll be the envy of adventurers everywhere! I'll leave them with the moogle, so be sure to stop by and pick them up when you get a chance.

I wonder... Do you think my dream will come true eventually? I mean my dream of us setting out on an adventure together someday. I'm sure it'd be a great experience for both of us. So I hope you'll help me make it a reality.

On that note, get out there and continue enjoying your time in Vana'diel!

I look forward to our next encounter! Until then, I'll see you when I see you!

P.S. Don't worry! I made sure to wash the boots before I dropped them off!

Most likely it is a just for fun reference as opposed to there being an actual connection between our Prishe and XI's but it's still neat.

Edit: And as for the event itself, once players have the boots they can visit the locations mentioned to get items to upgrade the boots into a stronger version. No cutscenes, just a message that the boots are quivering and you get the item.

Lower Jeuno= Vision of a destroyed city. A memory of Prishe that calls up images of a destroyed city.
The Dragon's Aery = Vision of a dreamy forest. A memory of Prishe that calls up images of a forest.
Ru'Aun Gardens= Vision of strange ruins. A memory of Prishe that calls up images of strange ruins.
Castle Zvahl Throne Room= Vision of anger. A memory of Prishe that is brimming with hatred.

You can then take these items to a place we haven't been yet in XIV, Blueblade Fell in Lufaise Meadows in order to receive Prishe's Teardrop. Then use the teardrop to craft the boots into the stronger version.