Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

[MikkoAkure]

Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?

I agree with a lot of what you say, yet still feel there is a difference.

Maybe it's just the fact that we didn't really "hang out" in Allagan spaceships like we can stand around in Solution Nine. Solution Nine is a city, with "normal people" just walking around living their lives. Allagan technology was "lost to time" but there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't import things like the Loporrits technology or Solution Nine tech into Gridania, so what's stopping that from happening storywise? It makes the older areas of the game some even more anachronistic than they already do, like they are frozen at a former point in the story, rather than being part of a living breathing world. However, I wouldn't want them to add lightening towers or bunny radios to Gridania, so that's why I feel apprehensive about the direction of the world setting.

Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?


We have already seen Eorzea adopting technology. They're not static. Eorzean airships are still recent and incorporate Garlean technology. They fundamentally changed the whole region to the point where all of the nations have facilities specifically for receiving them and we've seen them steadily get more complex and we can design them and submersibles from a holographic display. Skysteel Manufactory and therefore Machinist have also combined Ishgardian and Garlean technology. Limsan pirates are putting ceruleum engines in their ships. Even in 1.0 Ul'dah had ceruleum derricks in Northern Thanalan.

Eorzea is in a transition period where they're slowly adopting technology engineered by defecting scientists specifically for Eorzean needs. It's going to be a long while and just because they have exposure to it doesn't mean there's going to be bumper-to-bumper car traffic next week just because the Ilsabard Contingent just got back from Garlemald.

[Wasselin]

How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?



Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?

What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

Anyway, for me this is more a vibe based feeling I get when I look at the balance of sci-fi elements on our side. In many Final Fantasy games technology is something that defines the enemy.

[MikkoAkure]

What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

[Ath192]

The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

Always an excuse to get nothing done. No wonder nothing ever gets done and everything feels stale. Either way; I’m not drinking the kool aid. We can probably look forward to the jetsons setting in 8.0 and get this:

The all new GM x FFXIV collab where everyone gets the choice between an electric hummer or the new Equinox. The Silverado is gonna be a cash shop item though.

I’m sure reasons will abound to justify those too.

[Remarus]

The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

I was going to point out, if someone else hadn't, that we do see the world progressing... but really only through the Allied Society Quests. From which in Endwalker alone, we have provided abundant amounts of radios to Etherys to receive radio broadcasts from the moon which broadcast a race from the literal end of the Universe. Allagan, Garlean, and Alexandrian technology has started filtering through the world if we count available decor items. Tataru brags about her magitek kettle developed by the Ironworks (who also develop the airships and a billion other magitek inventions). The tiny airship you use in the HW Main Quest is immediately replicated and mass produced, to the point where multiple clans of sky pirates have them.

We also see in the 7.1 MSQ that people have moved back from Alexandria to Tuliyollal and given up their technology for a simpler life. They did not have to do this, their needs were wholly met inside Alexandria, they did it intentionally and in such numbers that the Dawnservants have spent time creating an advocacy and reintegration training group for them. Change takes time, and people are resistant to too much change in too short of a period of time. Couple that with the insane amount of convenience magic provides in Eorzea and how aetherically dense the area and its people are, and the need to upgrade from their normal way of life is much lower priority.

[VeyaAkemi]

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?

I will go as far as to say that this is exactly the issue that The Dreaming Ways formed to resolve, the Loporrits felt, quite justifiably, useless, made worse by the fact their uselessness was a good thing since it meant not evacuating the planet, and they needed to find new purpose, with Talkingway being the extreme end of the issue before they were able to reach them.