Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

[RinaB]

I get where the OP is coming from but like many have pointed out, the FF series has pretty consistently mixed medieval fantasy and sci fi as ridiculous as it is sometimes. I don't mind the sci fi and it makes for some pretty sweet glams and if you're into RP it just adds more options. I'm not a cosplayer or anything but I do think a lot of steam punk stuff is cool so it'd be nice to see a bunch of that in the game along with some other styles. I've always wanted this game to have military camo armor sets too. If I can ride around on a solution 9 motorbike that flies with my sword and shield wearing a baseball cap and runners then there really is no reason not to implement more styles.

[MikkoAkure]

Anything Allagan isn't what's being argued against mostly. It is well blended and it feels more like ancient magical tech than star trek. You could tell they thought about how the Allagan technology and derived magitek would fit into the world.

It's the recent introduction of pop culture scifi and minimalism that doesn't blend well into the games aesthetic. When you walked into Azys La it the theme was clearly lost ancient technology and both you as a person and your character were in awe and wonder of what was introduced, likewise it looked much more retro-futuristic.

Ignoring the rest of what you said because yikes, but robots and spaceships still veer into sci-fi no matter how "magical" they may feel. One of the bosses in an Azys Lla dungeon uses the same model as the G Warrior. Allagans have holograms and computer terminals you can put in your own house. The description of Coils Turn 3 even says we're on a starship. The Late Allagan outfits are SUPER sci-fi with LED lights, futuristic armor plating, skintight spandex, and one has a headset microphone.


If it's the aesthetic of Solution Nine you have a problem with, them being completely alien to anything we've ever seen and not fitting in is the whole point. They're an advanced civilization from another world that teleported in and they don't belong. They're supposed to not fit in. Unless something really wacky happens, this is the only place in the entire game we'll see this aesthetic. Just like how the Tempest is the only place in the game straight out of 1930's New York covered in art deco. That is also another part of the game whose design clashes with absolutely every single other part of the game.

If your problem is people wearing outfits from that part of the game, then deal with it. The game has had bikini tanks since the very beginning. Not liking the aesthetic of other people's glams has been a thing since glamour prisms existed.

[Ath192]

...The hell did I just read.

You read the literal state of the game.



Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

And likewise my reaction to the game ... The hell is game starting to look like now?

This is what they show you as the game though:
I wonder if you can spot the difference.

[Wasselin]

Ignoring the rest of what you said because yikes, but robots and spaceships still veer into sci-fi no matter how "magical" they may feel. One of the bosses in an Azys Lla dungeon uses the same model as the G Warrior. Allagans have holograms and computer terminals you can put in your own house. The description of Coils Turn 3 even says we're on a starship. The Late Allagan outfits are SUPER sci-fi with LED lights, futuristic armor plating, skintight spandex, and one has a headset microphone.


If it's the aesthetic of Solution Nine you have a problem with, them being completely alien to anything we've ever seen and not fitting in is the whole point. They're an advanced civilization from another world that teleported in and they don't belong. They're supposed to not fit in. Unless something really wacky happens, this is the only place in the entire game we'll see this aesthetic. Just like how the Tempest is the only place in the game straight out of 1930's New York covered in art deco. That is also another part of the game whose design clashes with absolutely every single other part of the game.

If your problem is people wearing outfits from that part of the game, then deal with it. The game has had bikini tanks since the very beginning. Not liking the aesthetic of other people's glams has been a thing since glamour prisms existed.

I agree with a lot of what you say, yet still feel there is a difference.

Maybe it's just the fact that we didn't really "hang out" in Allagan spaceships like we can stand around in Solution Nine. Solution Nine is a city, with "normal people" just walking around living their lives. Allagan technology was "lost to time" but there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't import things like the Loporrits technology or Solution Nine tech into Gridania, so what's stopping that from happening storywise? It makes the older areas of the game some even more anachronistic than they already do, like they are frozen at a former point in the story, rather than being part of a living breathing world. However, I wouldn't want them to add lightening towers or bunny radios to Gridania, so that's why I feel apprehensive about the direction of the world setting.

[Dorito_Burrito]

You read the literal state of the game.



Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

And likewise my reaction to the game ... The hell is game starting to look like now?

This is what they show you as the game though:
I wonder if you can spot the difference.

You and that one guy that really hates Sharlayan should team up.

[Ath192]

You and that one guy that really hates Sharlayan should team up.

I don't have a problem with Sharlayan's aesthetics except for the development of a spaceship. It fits just fine.

[MikkoAkure]

Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?

I agree with a lot of what you say, yet still feel there is a difference.

Maybe it's just the fact that we didn't really "hang out" in Allagan spaceships like we can stand around in Solution Nine. Solution Nine is a city, with "normal people" just walking around living their lives. Allagan technology was "lost to time" but there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't import things like the Loporrits technology or Solution Nine tech into Gridania, so what's stopping that from happening storywise? It makes the older areas of the game some even more anachronistic than they already do, like they are frozen at a former point in the story, rather than being part of a living breathing world. However, I wouldn't want them to add lightening towers or bunny radios to Gridania, so that's why I feel apprehensive about the direction of the world setting.

Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?


We have already seen Eorzea adopting technology. They're not static. Eorzean airships are still recent and incorporate Garlean technology. They fundamentally changed the whole region to the point where all of the nations have facilities specifically for receiving them and we've seen them steadily get more complex and we can design them and submersibles from a holographic display. Skysteel Manufactory and therefore Machinist have also combined Ishgardian and Garlean technology. Limsan pirates are putting ceruleum engines in their ships. Even in 1.0 Ul'dah had ceruleum derricks in Northern Thanalan.

Eorzea is in a transition period where they're slowly adopting technology engineered by defecting scientists specifically for Eorzean needs. It's going to be a long while and just because they have exposure to it doesn't mean there's going to be bumper-to-bumper car traffic next week just because the Ilsabard Contingent just got back from Garlemald.

[VeyaAkemi]

What is the problem with the term "doping", which dates back to early 20th century? no, seriously, the term "dope" originally meant a "thick mixture", and dates back to 19th century, then in very early 20th century, it became common practice to athletes consume mixtures of various drugs, including heroin and cocaine, which naturally ended up pretty thick, to preform better, until the practice started being admonished in 1920, and the term became associated with the process of using performance enhancing drugs in general, meaning the current use of the word, as well as the practice in itself, are over a century old.

[Wasselin]

How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?



Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?

What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

Anyway, for me this is more a vibe based feeling I get when I look at the balance of sci-fi elements on our side. In many Final Fantasy games technology is something that defines the enemy.

[MikkoAkure]

What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.