Announcements from Letter from the Producer Live Part LXXXV (85) - 7 February 2025

[BokoToloko]

Bait is in the eye of the beholder. To me this one stands more alongside the lines of satire more than anything, which I do agree with the underlying sentiment.

Feel free to call my reply as bait too, just to prove my point.

The user you're defending has been known to flood the forums with ragebait threads for years. It's not really in the eye of the beholder when behind almost every ragebait thread there is a clear alt character (max level omnicrafter and omnigatherer with only one combat class max level that is either WAR or WHM and always highlander) and said user tends to answer anyone who takes the bait with inflammatory answers (blah, blah, white knight/copium/etc). You don't need trolls to validate what can be valid concerns about the current game state.

If calling a recurrent troll out feels as a wide-range attack towards any criticism... sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how it goes here.

[Red-thunder]

inflammatory

This you?

And you're a full blown narcissist

And I've heard and read enough uppity narcissist like you talking to know anything coming out of them is worth as much as the dirt under my boots. Have a good night and up yours too.

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is a clear alt character

You literally accuse everyone in the forums of being an alt lol?

"Someone"



It's an alt.

By the by: same world, puppet FC with one member.... posting (and upvoting yourself) with alts now, are we? This is taking a turn for the sad (already screencapped, so it's too late to hide lodestone profile).

[BokoToloko]

This you?

There is a lot to unpack from the fact you've had to dig through pages of my post history in order to find something to take out of context as a comeback. All because it took me a little glance at Lodestone after noticing a pattern of similar characters posting the same kind of posts.

You literally accuse everyone in the forums of being an alt lol?

"Everybody" meaning 2 specific users:

You, who've literally just tried to come back at me with a different alt than the alt I replied to, thus outing yourself. And a YPYT zealot that literally admits to posting with an alt

Alt service account*..

[Valence]

The user you're defending has been known to flood the forums with ragebait threads for years. It's not really in the eye of the beholder when behind almost every ragebait thread there is a clear alt character (max level omnicrafter and omnigatherer with only one combat class max level that is either WAR or WHM and always highlander) and said user tends to answer anyone who takes the bait with inflammatory answers (blah, blah, white knight/copium/etc). You don't need trolls to validate what can be valid concerns about the current game state.

If calling a recurrent troll out feels as a wide-range attack towards any criticism... sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how it goes here.

This is beyond the point. The arguments brought forth by the thread are valid satire in my eyes, while your constant bashing about flamebait is just objectively ad-hominem that doesn't do anything to disprove the OP or offer counter arguments. The only thing you're achieving is alienating all the players that do recognize their views and feelings in what has been posted, regardless of the poster.

[BokoToloko]

This is beyond the point. The arguments brought forth by the thread are valid satire in my eyes, while your constant bashing about flamebait is just objectively ad-hominem that doesn't do anything to disprove the OP or offer counter arguments. The only thing you're achieving is alienating all the players that do recognize their views and feelings in what has been posted, regardless of the poster.

You may see it as "satire" and defend him with as many excuses as you want but the very first one who goes around alienating people and throwing ad-hominem is him. And it's a pity his thread, where has constantly insulting anyone who tried to argue against and posting AI made images of white knights, was nuked because that was a textbook example of how much you're missing the point.

And the only ones who are alienated because I called him out in this thread are him and, for some reason of your own, you.

[Valence]

You may see it as "satire" and defend him with as many excuses as you want but the very first one who goes around alienating people and throwing ad-hominem is him. And it's a pity his thread, where has constantly insulting anyone who tried to argue against and posting AI made images of white knights, was nuked because that was a textbook example of how much you're missing the point.

And the only ones who are alienated because I called him out in this thread are him and, for some reason of your own, you.

That's where you seem to misunderstand. I am not defending the messenger, but the message.

[ZephyrMenodora]

You may see it as "satire" and defend him with as many excuses as you want but the very first one who goes around alienating people and throwing ad-hominem is him. And it's a pity his thread, where has constantly insulting anyone who tried to argue against and posting AI made images of white knights, was nuked because that was a textbook example of how much you're missing the point.

And the only ones who are alienated because I called him out in this thread are him and, for some reason of your own, you.

Unfortunately it’s the mods fault they allow one person to have 10 accounts that they break rules with and make this an unpleasant place. Respectful conversation is fine but this place goes far beyond that on a regular basis. The most upvoted posts here are often irrelevant insults. It’s says a lot about the kinds of people who come here for the most part.

It’s sad, because a few commented they came here to celebrate the announcements only to be meet with constant doom and gloom. I’m going to step away from this place again as it’s just mostly nasty and negative, and there are more positive places to be.

The latest thing about fheir endless attempts to denegrate the forums is now crying censorship which is laughable. But they really should moderate a lot more so this place isn’t the cesspit it is. Criticism and suggestions are great but they just allow a culture here that goes beyond the boundaries of mature and respectful communication befitting adults.