Should Dalamud 2.0 Land on Tural and Delete the Entire Dawntrail Expansion?

[BokoToloko]

Because your post is hypocritical nonsense.

This is what you said:


Just because you don't understand the gameplay options and implications for the difference between class and job stones, does not mean it's worthless
I speak out about it because the removal would directly impact mine and my friends last remaining fun things to do in the game, just as you'd imply with Field Operations and Blue Mage

Just because you say it's hypocritical or say I don't understand the gameplay options and implications doesn't make those things actually real.

And the fact you try to put Field Operations and Blue Mage on the same level as leveling without job crystal is laughable. The former are game content and do not really interfere with anyone else nor do they pose a drag on content many people go by thanks to being completely optional, the latter is playing the almost same jobs on the same ARR dungeons they can run but handicapped, to the detriment of anyone else you queue with in DF on the most boring dungeons in the game just because you couldn't be arsed to spend half an hour getting your class and job quest in order. Not to mention taking the class and job quests does not bar you AT ALL from getting your alts ready for housing endeavors.

No, it's not hypocritical because, again, it's not really the same, in ANY measure.

[Aneshda]

I want a dark Story with some ugly twists about the Sundering, the Source and their remaining shards.
Something that the WoL can change for the future.
We have had enough Ruins and it is time that we can restore something big.
And if Wuk Lamat dies in our next Mission, guess I won't shed a tear.

[cutestfox]

Just because you say it's hypocritical or say I don't understand the gameplay options and implications doesn't make those things actually real.

And the fact you try to put Field Operations and Blue Mage on the same level as leveling without job crystal is laughable. The former are game modes, the latter is playing the same jobs with just less, which ends up hindering anyone else you queue with in DF on the most boring dungeons in the game just because you couldn't be arsed to spend half an hour getting your class and job quest in order. Not to mention taking the class and job quests does not bar you AT ALL from getting your alts ready for housing endeavors.

No, it's not hypocritical because, again, it's not really the samem, in ANY measure.

It is absolutely hypocritical. You don't get to decide what is the right way to play the game or not, especially when you're the one begging for changes.

You're proposing a needless timesink and grind on a population that you evidently aren't a part of.
You want to make our gameplay experience worse, because you don't understand it


What's laughable are your endless shots in the dark trying to poke at some boogeyman that doesn't exist while trying to act like the arbiter of truth

I've dealt with enough "housing enthusiasts" to know. Specially those who're strongly opinionated about a game they hardly play outside the residential district.

I have characters with the legacy mark. I've never unsubbed since 2.0. I've hand-leveled over 60+ alts to at least baseline 50 over this last decade, and around 15 past shadowbringers and beyond. My main has 26k achievement points compared to your 14k that I had back in Heavensward. Anything else we need to cover? Going to drag me and make some more shots for replying to this nonsense you desired so badly?

You truly, utterly, have no idea.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Well if they just want to look at the short term, they will fail long term.

2 year offline to upgrade an engine that will help them last for another 15 years, isn't that a worth trade-off?

To us, maybe. To the people holding the purse strings? Try explaining to the shareholders that, for the next two years, their biggest source of revenue is stopping.

[AngelicDeath]

cringe honestly lol

[Basteala]

No, but going to one of the shards for a while and forgetting DT ever happened is a valid option.

[BokoToloko]

It is absolutely hypocritical. You don't get to decide what is the right way to play the game or not, especially when you're the one begging for changes.

You're proposing a needless timesink and grind on a population that you evidently aren't a part of.
You want to make our gameplay experience worse, because you don't understand it


What's laughable are your endless shots in the dark trying to poke at some boogeyman that doesn't exist while trying to act like the arbiter of truth

I have characters with the legacy mark. I've never unsubbed since 2.0. I've hand-leveled over 60+ alts to at least baseline 50 over this last decade, and around 15 past shadowbringers and beyond. My main has 26k achievement points compared to your 14k that I had back in Heavensward. Anything else we need to cover? Going to drag me and make some more shots for replying to this nonsense you desired so badly?

You truly, utterly, have no idea.

It is not.
What it is hypocritical is crying about a needless timeskink and grind is that you cry so to defend being a needless wast of time on ANYONE who has the disgrace of running into you and your job crystal free buddies because you decided your time was more important than theirs and thus decided to be carried on the ARR dungeons and drag time on time either. THAT is hypocritical. Because you're not the center of the world and YET you make others go around then you get defensive. And let's not get started with the very simple fact that classes are supposed to be upgraded because their whole kits at tuned for the gameplay they offer at maximum level, where you need to have all the job spells for them to truly function. If you really want to convince anyone you're all about respecting everyone else's time you better be ready to argue how are you NOT wasting everyone else's time by doing DFs without job crystals.

And no amount of achievements or characters is ever going to dispel that. That shit doesn't fly (and if you don't believe me, look up "argument from authority"). What is evident is that people with no job crystal do way less than those with job crystal and slow runs for duty finders most people just want to run quickly for the tomes or the experience. Because those exist, and none of them like to deal with jobless randoms. It's not a "different way of playing" and it's not a "different game content". It's very literally being a hindrance because you couldn't be assed with a "needless" time sink.

And it's worse than not having an idea. It's having an idea and wanting to twist the argument in order to make it benefit you at everyone else's expense.
Get your job crystal or queue with other 3 people who are willing to put up with that. Leave the rest to queue with normal people who prefer playing normally.

[cutestfox]

It is not.
What it is hypocritical is crying about a needless timeskink and grind is that you cry so to defend being a needless wast of time on ANYONE who has the disgrace of running into you and your job crystal free buddies because you decided your time was more important than theirs and thus decided to be carried on the ARR dungeons and drag time on time either. THAT is hypocritical. Because you're not the center of the world and YET you make others go around then you get defensive. And let's not get started with the very simple fact that classes are supposed to be upgraded.

And no amount of achievements or characters is ever going to dispel that. That shit doesn't fly (and if you don't believe me, look up "argument from authority"). What is evident is that people with no job crystal do way less than those with job crystal and slow runs for duty finders most people just want to run quickly for the tomes or the experience. Because those exist, and none of them like to deal with jobless randoms. It's not a "different way of people". It's very literally being a hindrance.

And it's worse than not having an idea. It's having an idea and wanting to twist the argument in order to make it benefit you at everyone else's expense.
Get your job crystal or queue with other 3 people who are willing to put up with that. Leave the rest to queue with normal people who prefer playing normally.

And again with the assumptions! You're the gift that keeps on giving
Who said our community is doing this with randoms? And for those out there that do, they know what they're doing.
With the limited skillset you have available pre-50, you will absolutely burn through a dungeon with a veteran who knows how to play their class much easier and faster over sprout with a job stone
The difference between a veteran on a bard vs an archer in stone vigil, aurum vale, dzemael is quite literally a matter of seconds on a run

I'm not threatened by you opinion of the job stone, it's not like the devs will come here and listen to you. Your abrasive attitude and ego will guarantee you never find success.
I just find it amusing how confidently wrong you can be

[TakoyakiLala]

Then where the hell where I get my tacos!?!? THINK OF G'RAHA!!!! D'8

[Rosenstrauch]

This line of though is idiotic and, if you have to be a special kind of moron to unironically believe we should delete an expansion that hasn't even finished just because Wuk LMAO exists..

So r/ffxiv then.