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    Does anyone have any acceptance pills to the fact that they are never going to surmount to anything great. Leaving QoL and system improvements to the dust.

    And that I am basically paying a sub for a free to play quality game.

    I'll take copium in any form too. - Final Scifi-"fantasy" fan
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Does anyone have any acceptance pills to the fact that they are never going to surmount to anything great. Leaving QoL and system improvements to the dust.

    And that I am basically paying a sub for a free to play quality game.

    I'll take copium in any form too. - Final Scifi-"fantasy" fan
    If WoW's bad showcase of BFA and Shadowlands along with their internal drama proves anything, then it's that MMO gamers keep playing their MMO's even when the company gets (rightfully) dragged through the dirt.
    That's why any MMO that had a measure of quality are still around after 10+ years or have been revived as private servers with a considerable player count.

    So yeah, enjoy the shouting into the void. They'll always come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Does anyone have any acceptance pills to the fact that they are never going to surmount to anything great. Leaving QoL and system improvements to the dust.

    And that I am basically paying a sub for a free to play quality game.

    I'll take copium in any form too. - Final Scifi-"fantasy" fan
    Honestly at the rate new content is introduced, I'm thinking my friend had the right idea all along. Dude basically comes back for a new expansion (.0), enjoys it, and then quits until .55. He returns and spends a whopping three weeks doing all the content the entire post-expansion had for him, and then he can enjoy .0 when it rolls around too. Then he quits again for two more years. Pretty sure he only continued like that because he was invested in the story though. He did not return for DT afaik.
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    I don't get it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than creating shitpost after shitpost?
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    Genshin Impact a free to play mobile gatcha game puts out events every 40 days that are fully voiced and an engaging story. FF which is a subscription game with a full price tag does like 5 events a year and still can't put 10% of the effort. Something is wrong.
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    Let's consider another theoretical mod: one that displays your character entirely naked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    Honestly at the rate new content is introduced, I'm thinking my friend had the right idea all along. Dude basically comes back for a new expansion (.0), enjoys it, and then quits until .55. He returns and spends a whopping three weeks doing all the content the entire post-expansion had for him, and then he can enjoy .0 when it rolls around too. Then he quits again for two more years. Pretty sure he only continued like that because he was invested in the story though. He did not return for DT afaik.
    Not a bad way to play (if you don't just enjoy having access to it any time), treating it more like a game series that has a release every two years, though I think doing it that way would bug me when each "release" is the second half of the game from two years ago. If I was going to go that route, I think I'd have to take the extra bit of self-control to just not play the base expansion until all its patches are out. Although then again, the patch end into new expansion tends to be a cliffhanger while the base expansions usually end more solidly.

    I've kept up my sub thus far but I've lost the pull to enjoy it as much as before because the graphics update has made me not want to touch most of my alts any more, so that desire to constantly visit the game and collect things for each of them is lost. I still enjoy the gameplay but I'm only coming to do that when I feel like doing it.
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Not a bad way to play (if you don't just enjoy having access to it any time), treating it more like a game series that has a release every two years, though I think doing it that way would bug me when each "release" is the second half of the game from two years ago. If I was going to go that route, I think I'd have to take the extra bit of self-control to just not play the base expansion until all its patches are out. Although then again, the patch end into new expansion tends to be a cliffhanger while the base expansions usually end more solidly.

    I've kept up my sub thus far but I've lost the pull to enjoy it as much as before because the graphics update has made me not want to touch most of my alts any more, so that desire to constantly visit the game and collect things for each of them is lost. I still enjoy the gameplay but I'm only coming to do that when I feel like doing it.
    What a crappy way to lose interest, sorry about that : /


    I generally like the graphic update but I have noticed grass lighting is a bit weird when moving now (looks great stationary), and I can tell they went a bit further on the models than I had thought they would have. Anyway, while I don't mind the change I still read that and go "damn, that sucks ...".
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    F'helix Fraldarius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I've kept up my sub thus far but I've lost the pull to enjoy it as much as before because the graphics update has made me not want to touch most of my alts any more, so that desire to constantly visit the game and collect things for each of them is lost. I still enjoy the gameplay but I'm only coming to do that when I feel like doing it.
    I feel this. Previously, even when I ran out of things to do on my main, I'd just load up my story alt to play through older content. I just genuinely loved playing the game and experiencing the story all over again that much. But Dawntrail ruined her face. She looks like a total uncanny stranger to me now. She looks like a creepy mannequin with these dead eyes and a mouth that looks painted on, not organic. It's so jarring and hard to look at that I genuinely cannot play as her anymore. She is a character I'd grown to love over years as I used her to take my time with the content and really take things at my own pace as opposed to my main when I was trying to catch up to end game to play with my friends. It feels like she died six months ago and the game isn't the same without her. That sounds dramatic, I know, but it really is the feeling like having a beloved character killed off in a stupid way or badly replaced/recast. It just sucks.
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    Honestly at the rate new content is introduced, I'm thinking my friend had the right idea all along. Dude basically comes back for a new expansion (.0), enjoys it, and then quits until .55. He returns and spends a whopping three weeks doing all the content the entire post-expansion had for him, and then he can enjoy .0 when it rolls around too. Then he quits again for two more years. Pretty sure he only continued like that because he was invested in the story though. He did not return for DT afaik.
    This is exactly how I played until Endwalker. It works well. No treadmill either as you can easily just work on the final tomestone gear and call it a day.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    This is exactly how I played until Endwalker. It works well. No treadmill either as you can easily just work on the final tomestone gear and call it a day.
    The problem with this is if everyone did this the game would die overnight.

    The privilege people have of “only subbing when they want” only works because there is a core players that is constantly subbed (but is hollowing out)
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The problem with this is if everyone did this the game would die overnight.

    The privilege people have of “only subbing when they want” only works because there is a core players that is constantly subbed (but is hollowing out)
    I agree, but that would be the devs' problem, and not the problem of someone who only plays 2 months every expansion. I'm sure there are so many new stories (like Kingdom Come that just came out) to take up time and expansions written on the level of DT would not be missed at all. These players seem to mostly play this as a story-based RPG, and if the story is bad it would be an easy skip. (In fact, I just saw in Avoidy's story - the friend didn't even come back for DT and that exists now.)

    The decreasing quality is definitely a concern for players who want XIV to be a more consistent part of their gaming time for sure.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 02-11-2025 at 05:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The problem with this is if everyone did this the game would die overnight.
    No, it would force them to do some efforts. FFXIV is not a "stay subbed indefinitely" game as it stands (but then again I believe that no game is or possibly can be, the people who do keep subbed all year long probably have a bad case of sunk cost fallacy). If they want more than 2 month worth of subscription every expansion then they need to work for it.

    By the way being able not to stay subbed long term is not a privilege, it is a right. Having customers that are willing to remain subbed for long period of times, on the other hand, IS a privilege.
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    Last edited by YumieYumiki; 02-11-2025 at 06:15 AM.