Chaotic is midcore, in case you were wondering

[OlafQuintessa]

Everything up to and including savage is midcore content. If you want no prep, no requirement, low time investment content, stop asking for midcore content. It's casual content with replay value that the game is lacking at the minute.

I think a lot of people are misusing the word "midcore" because they don't want to imply that they're only "casual" players by asking for casual content. But midcore is between casual and hardcore. Hardcore content requires a lot of preparation, organisation, coordination and time investment. Midcore content requires a moderate amount of these things. If it doesn't require these things, it's casual content.

Ask for what you actually want instead of asking for something else and being surprised when your needs aren't met.

I'm sorry but there is nothing between casual and hardcore and it very rarely makes an appearance (like ultima unreal). If you want specifics I know exactly what I want - savage with half the mechanics. Criterion with half the mechanics. Extreme with 2/3 of the mechanics. Midcore could easily require some prep and discussion, I don't think that's the issue. It's the amount of prog time to learn it - at least from my experience. If you can get a group of non-raiders together and clear in 1-2 evenings then it's midcore.

[BigCheez]

I'm sorry but there is nothing between casual and hardcore and it very rarely makes an appearance (like ultima unreal). If you want specifics I know exactly what I want - savage with half the mechanics. Criterion with half the mechanics. Extreme with 2/3 of the mechanics. Midcore could easily require some prep and discussion, I don't think that's the issue. It's the amount of prog time to learn it - at least from my experience. If you can get a group of non-raiders together and clear in 1-2 evenings then it's midcore.

What does "with half the mechanics" mean? Longer between mechanics? Shorter fights? If you're asking for less overlapping mechanics, that's just normal mode content. What you're describing is casual content.

[OlafQuintessa]

With what I'm imagining you get savage mechanics that if you screw up you probably wipe, but only half as many as a full savage fight. And perhaps less overlapping mechs but still some. And maybe longer between mechanics too. Do you remember Ultima Unreal? Something like that would be a good place to start. Normal mode content like alli raids, dungeons, trials and so on - you are guaranteed to clear with maybe a few wipes and it doesn't require prog as such. Maybe you find it hard to imagine that anyone would find half-savage hard, but it would be enough for me. A fight that was just learning Fundamental Synergy from O12S would almost be enough!

[BigCheez]

With what I'm imagining you get savage mechanics that if you screw up you probably wipe, but only half as many as a full savage fight. And perhaps less overlapping mechs but still some. And maybe longer between mechanics too. Do you remember Ultima Unreal? Something like that would be a good place to start. Normal mode content like alli raids, dungeons, trials and so on - you are guaranteed to clear with maybe a few wipes and it doesn't require prog as such. Maybe you find it hard to imagine that anyone would find half-savage hard, but it would be enough for me. A fight that was just learning Fundamental Synergy from O12S would almost be enough!

Ultima unreal was pretty much normal mode difficulty. The only mechanic that can wipe the raid is the orbs. That's casual content. You can go in with no prep and clear in a few pulls.

I agree. More stuff like this would be good. But people need to stop asking for midcore content if they don't want midcore content.

[Mawlzy]

Ultima unreal was pretty much normal mode difficulty. The only mechanic that can wipe the raid is the orbs. That's casual content. You can go in with no prep and clear in a few pulls.

I agree. More stuff like this would be good. But people need to stop asking for midcore content if they don't want midcore content.

If it creates a semantic confusion, I guess I agree with this, but in practice isn't it fairly clear what people are asking for? Content that is more difficult than current casual that does not require PF or a static.

I realize that immediately produces a dichotomy between NA/EU and JP, but since these are not the JP boards that confusion evaporates.

[OlafQuintessa]

Ultima unreal was pretty much normal mode difficulty. The only mechanic that can wipe the raid is the orbs. That's casual content. You can go in with no prep and clear in a few pulls.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here - I think it takes more than a few pulls to learn from scratch. Orbs was the main thing, but there was a sequence of attacks to remember so you had time to move to safe spots. And some tank swaps. Call it a skill issue if you like. It was easily one evening though, which made it a lot of fun. From my experience most people want to have a go at something harder than the usual normal mode, but aren't willing or able to commit to the amount of time it would take to learn something as difficult as savage. Half-savage would be good.

[CidHeiral]

From my experience most people want to have a go at something harder than the usual normal mode, but aren't willing or able to commit to the amount of time it would take to learn something as difficult as savage. Half-savage would be good.

You just described extreme trials.

[Shougun]

You just described extreme trials.

IMO, I imagine they mean more like normal mode before its all out geared. Like the first time (like brand new expansion) people run the dungeons people tend to get hit harder, makes all the mechanics a little bit meaty without being actually "we wont win this will we?".