Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
Ultima unreal was pretty much normal mode difficulty. The only mechanic that can wipe the raid is the orbs. That's casual content. You can go in with no prep and clear in a few pulls.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here - I think it takes more than a few pulls to learn from scratch. Orbs was the main thing, but there was a sequence of attacks to remember so you had time to move to safe spots. And some tank swaps. Call it a skill issue if you like. It was easily one evening though, which made it a lot of fun. From my experience most people want to have a go at something harder than the usual normal mode, but aren't willing or able to commit to the amount of time it would take to learn something as difficult as savage. Half-savage would be good.