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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
    Are we talking about the MMORPG that still has around 7 to 8 million active subscribers and just had a very successful expansion launch that players have been very happy with? That WoW? The one that is still headed by one Ion Hazzikostas? That WoW? The game that routinely gives players of all kinds, no matter how casual or hardcore, heaps of things to do every major and minor patch and clear roadmaps of when to expect what? That WoW?

    How old is your information on WoW? Because it sounds like you're still on Legion through Shadowlands era talking points.
    I think that Yoshi is very busy and spending very little time on XIV. Meanwhile the people left really in charge of XIV, are struggling to forge their own path rather than following the path they think it's their job to follow. All the time badly lacking the resources they need to hedge their bets and take risks. They are playing it safe, not realising that it's not changing course that's risky.

    Variant dungeons was fantastic! But the devil is in the details, and rewards for all of that content are terrible. The rewards for extreme are terrible, and responsible for the bad rep PF has even for what could be quite accessible content.
    Chaotic was adventurous, but it took someone brave enough to say, "hang on, no. We just can't do that right now. Things are a bit broken. Too broken to do that right now"
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    I think a fair argument could be made that, if you are willing to organize and/or undergo a strike for a video game, then you are, inherently, *not* a casual player of said game. Casuals aren't that invested.
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  4. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    I think a fair argument could be made that, if you are willing to organize and/or undergo a strike for a video game, then you are, inherently, *not* a casual player of said game. Casuals aren't that invested.
    You are using a different context/definition for casual.
    Your is referring to the approach to the game as a whole.
    Ours is referring to it's content/ie any single piece of content.
    Ie I will commit to the game but am free to choose what when within that. Vs I will commit to a savage and all the constraints I must accept to clear that.

    It's arguing semantics. (But I've always found that an odd complaint, I can't see whats more fundamental, all argument is literally meaningless until you've sorted out the semantics)
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  5. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    I think a fair argument could be made that, if you are willing to organize and/or undergo a strike for a video game, then you are, inherently, *not* a casual player of said game. Casuals aren't that invested.
    Strikes are a socioeconomic tool used by the overworked and underpaid working class to wrest control back from the corporations that aren't willing to fairly negotiate with their downtrodden workforce under any other circumstance. It's a last resort that ultimately hurts both the worker and the company in very real ways until a deal can be reached that both sides can agree on.

    The fact that we continue seeing the term unironically used here by people who are strictly talking about unsubbing from a video game because they are unhappy with the product is deeply goofy and unserious. The people doing it are extremely out-of-touch. It's called a boycott, not a strike. And, while there's nothing wrong with being unhappy about a product and wanting to use the power of your wallet to hopefully enact a change in said product, seeing people continually equate it to a strike is so unbelievably asinine.

    I'm sure you already know all this, but OP and people like OP clearly do not.
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  6. #205
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    So the proper term would be a boycott, then. So #HEALERBOYCOTT, got it
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  7. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilapop View Post
    The repeatability being? People repeat Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/Chaotic for gear and glamour, in some cases, versions that can be dyed. Some even include mounts not found in the normal equal. Why in your mind is it either "hard content" or "game gives free content"? There's easily able to be an in-between.
    Sorry for the delayed replay. Work schedule doesn't leave me much time to sit on the forums hence why I'm unable to join a static to do Ultimates.

    This post is a joke, right? There's no repeatability in normal content? Normal content doesn't contain gear, orchestrion scrolls, TT cards, minions, etc?

    Sounds more like you're unhappy that "non-casual" content has extra perks like dyeable versions of the gear found in normal content and a mount reward for players engaging in harder content.

    If you want the dyeable versions of the gear so you can flaunt it off in Limsa Lominsa, then you take time out of your afk sessions and engage with the content that rewards it, or you suck it up and wait until the next expansion when you can out-level, out-gear and unsync the content for your free mail-in rewards.
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  8. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRocket View Post
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    The fact that we continue seeing the term unironically used here by people who are strictly talking about unsubbing from a video game because they are unhappy with the product is deeply goofy and unserious. The people doing it are extremely out-of-touch. It's called a boycott, not a strike. And, while there's nothing wrong with being unhappy about a product and wanting to use the power of your wallet to hopefully enact a change in said product, seeing people continually equate it to a strike is so unbelievably asinine.

    I'm sure you already know all this, but OP and people like OP clearly do not.
    Asinine that may be but uhh..
    The use of 'strike' in FFXIV was originally to do with the healer 'jobs' going in strike, refusing to participate in instances. So in an RP sense (this is an RPG) it's makes a lot of sense to use that word.
    And now it's somewhat part of the zeitgeist of the game. And so it is not without 'meaning' to communicate a sentiment, and to act as a short have to draw parallels and invoke other complaints at part of painting a bigger picture.

    They know what they mean. You know what they mean. So as 'asinine' as it might be, to take issue with it actually maybe incorrect in that you neglect the 'wider context' it 'communicates', your criticism is perhaps a little 'anal retentive'.
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    Last edited by Gurgeh; 01-05-2025 at 08:41 AM.

  9. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    Sorry for the delayed replay. Work schedule doesn't leave me much time to sit on the forums hence why I'm unable to join a static to do Ultimates.

    This post is a joke, right? There's no repeatability in normal content? Normal content doesn't contain gear, orchestrion scrolls, TT cards, minions, etc?

    Sounds more like you're unhappy that "non-casual" content has extra perks like dyeable versions of the gear found in normal content and a mount reward for players engaging in harder content.

    If you want the dyeable versions of the gear so you can flaunt it off in Limsa Lominsa, then you take time out of your afk sessions and engage with the content that rewards it, or you suck it up and wait until the next expansion when you can out-level, out-gear and unsync the content for your free mail-in rewards.
    Everyone who plays pays SE money every month, that’s enough to feel „entitled” to be able to use all the content they add to the game, it should at least be tradeable on the market board (which would be a win-win scenario for everyone).

    Also it’s funny to see hardcore raiders complaining about casuals acting as if they are „entitled” to rewards, considering how they themselves reacted when SE decided to put mounts like Shadow Wolf and Cruise Chaser in the online store instead of locking them behind endgame raiding.

    When it comes to repeating content, there’s literally no point in repeating newest alliance raid right now due to the one item per week mechanic which makes foam grinding impossible.
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  10. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volgia View Post
    I'll just have to agree to disagree here, because unless you have some disability, extremes and savage mechanics aren't to dissimilar from normal trials and raids. Some of them don't telegraph, some of them have different timings, but it's hard to limit yourself like you would be physically limited to do any physical sport. This is a matter of skill and can be learned.
    Get back to me when you can unscramble a Rubik's cube in 3.13s.
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  11. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    Asinine that may be but uhh..
    The use of 'strike' in FFXIV was originally to do with the healer 'jobs' going in strike, refusing to participate in instances. So in an RP sense (this is an RPG) it's makes a lot of sense to use that word.
    Irrelevant. No one in this forum is role playing.

    I mean, unless you'd consider pretending to be a serious person role playing.
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