Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[Lilapop]

I love how people seem to forget there are casual equivalent to most "non-casual" content that is released along side it.

Normal Raids = Savage
Trials = Extreme
Alliance Raid = No "non-casual" equivalent. We could say Chaotic fits that bill now, but AR got 4 bosses vs Chaotic's 1 boss.
Dungeons = There hasn't been a "hard" version in ages.

The only content that doesn't have a casual equivalent to are the Ultimates. I don't do ultimates either, because my job won't allow me time to be in a static for it, I know I'll never get the weapon glam or titles from it, but I'm not on the forums crying that there isn't an easier version of it so I can have the glams mailed to me.

The repeatability being? People repeat Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/Chaotic for gear and glamour, in some cases, versions that can be dyed. Some even include mounts not found in the normal equal. Why in your mind is it either "hard content" or "game gives free content"? There's easily able to be an in-between.

[MisterNublet]

The repeatability being? People repeat Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/Chaotic for gear and glamour, in some cases, versions that can be dyed. Some even include mounts not found in the normal equal. Why in your mind is it either "hard content" or "game gives free content"? There's easily able to be an in-between.

Sorry for the delayed replay. Work schedule doesn't leave me much time to sit on the forums hence why I'm unable to join a static to do Ultimates.

This post is a joke, right? There's no repeatability in normal content? Normal content doesn't contain gear, orchestrion scrolls, TT cards, minions, etc?

Sounds more like you're unhappy that "non-casual" content has extra perks like dyeable versions of the gear found in normal content and a mount reward for players engaging in harder content.

If you want the dyeable versions of the gear so you can flaunt it off in Limsa Lominsa, then you take time out of your afk sessions and engage with the content that rewards it, or you suck it up and wait until the next expansion when you can out-level, out-gear and unsync the content for your free mail-in rewards.

[AntoniusQuil]

Sorry for the delayed replay. Work schedule doesn't leave me much time to sit on the forums hence why I'm unable to join a static to do Ultimates.

This post is a joke, right? There's no repeatability in normal content? Normal content doesn't contain gear, orchestrion scrolls, TT cards, minions, etc?

Sounds more like you're unhappy that "non-casual" content has extra perks like dyeable versions of the gear found in normal content and a mount reward for players engaging in harder content.

If you want the dyeable versions of the gear so you can flaunt it off in Limsa Lominsa, then you take time out of your afk sessions and engage with the content that rewards it, or you suck it up and wait until the next expansion when you can out-level, out-gear and unsync the content for your free mail-in rewards.

Everyone who plays pays SE money every month, that’s enough to feel „entitled” to be able to use all the content they add to the game, it should at least be tradeable on the market board (which would be a win-win scenario for everyone).

Also it’s funny to see hardcore raiders complaining about casuals acting as if they are „entitled” to rewards, considering how they themselves reacted when SE decided to put mounts like Shadow Wolf and Cruise Chaser in the online store instead of locking them behind endgame raiding.

When it comes to repeating content, there’s literally no point in repeating newest alliance raid right now due to the one item per week mechanic which makes foam grinding impossible.

[MisterNublet]

Everyone who plays pays SE money every month, that’s enough to feel „entitled” to be able to use all the content they add to the game

Funny thing is, you ARE entitled to the content. You join PF or a static and engage in the content. You choosing not too for whatever reason is a fault of your own, not anyone else's. Not SE's, and not the "non-casual" playerbase.

it should at least be tradeable on the market board (which would be a win-win scenario for everyone).

Absolutely not. They are rewards for completing the content and are "bragging" rights. Allowing rewards to be placed on the market board diminishes the value. The value being something you all have placed on the rewards is the sole reason why ya'll seem so butthurt that you don't have access to because you all refuse to engage in the content.

Also it’s funny to see hardcore raiders complaining about casuals acting as if they are „entitled” to rewards, considering how they themselves reacted when SE decided to put mounts like Shadow Wolf and Cruise Chaser in the online store instead of locking them behind endgame raiding.

The irony of this statement, trying to take away the perks from harder content and putting it in normal content.

When it comes to repeating content, there’s literally no point in repeating newest alliance raid right now due to the one item per week mechanic which makes foam grinding impossible.

And savage content has weekly lockouts too. "Foam"? People still run Nier for the glams. Y'all laughable.

[AntoniusQuil]

Funny thing is, you ARE entitled to the content. You join PF or a static and engage in the content. You choosing not too for whatever reason is a fault of your own, not anyone else's. Not SE's, and not the "non-casual" playerbase.



Absolutely not. They are rewards for completing the content and are "bragging" rights. Allowing rewards to be placed on the market board diminishes the value. The value being something you all have placed on the rewards is the sole reason why ya'll seem so butthurt that you don't have access to because you all refuse to engage in the content.



The irony of this statement, trying to take away the perks from harder content and putting it in normal content.



And savage content has weekly lockouts too. "Foam"? People still run Nier for the glams. Y'all laughable.

1. Here shows the difference in player mentality, I don’t care about “bragging rights” of X item and its imaginary value when deciding to get it, I only care if it has nice glam potential or if the mount looks fun, the amount of players who have it too doesn’t matter for me at all. If someone really wants to brag so much about their in game achievements, titles and ultimate weapons should be enough for them

2. “Taking away content”? But I thought that there’s no content being locked from anyone and forcing people to do stuff they really don’t want to do for it is good?

3. The discussion in this thread is about DT content, Nier content is two expansions old and newest chaotic alliance raid doesn’t have item lockout

[MisterNublet]

1. Here shows the difference in player mentality, I don’t care about “bragging rights” of X item and its imaginary value when deciding to get it, I only care if it has nice glam potential or if the mount looks fun, the amount of players who have it too doesn’t matter for me at all.

Great, if something has nice glam potential or the mount looks fun for you, go do the content that rewards it.

If someone really wants to brag so much about their in game achievements, titles and ultimate weapons should be enough for them

Because AntoniusQuil decrees it so, only Ultimate clears are allowed bragging rights, because he wants the same glams and mounts that are rewarded for clearing Savage without having to do it. You have the option of waiting until next expansion to unsync the content for an easy clear, but you'll have to wait.

2. “Taking away content”? But I thought that there’s no content being locked from anyone and forcing people to do stuff they really don’t want to do for it is good?

Who said anything about taking away content. If you don't want to do the content, then you don't get the rewards from said content. Just because you don't want to do the content doesn't mean anything is being taken away.

3. The discussion in this thread is about DT content, Nier content is two expansions old and newest chaotic alliance raid doesn’t have item lockout

And the alliance raid's loot lockout will be removed soon, during this Expansion "Dawntrail", and will still need to be run by every player, casuals and non-casuals alike, for the coin at the end for upgrade materials, meaning you can farm it to your hearts content.

Chaotic Alliance raid doesn't have a lockout because the gear will be worthless in two months.

[Lilapop]

Chaotic Alliance raid doesn't have a lockout because the gear will be worthless in two months.

So will Savage gear... Extreme weapon, crafted gear, and tomestone gear. Point?

[Kaurhz]

Sorry for the delayed replay. Work schedule doesn't leave me much time to sit on the forums hence why I'm unable to join a static to do Ultimates.

This post is a joke, right? There's no repeatability in normal content? Normal content doesn't contain gear, orchestrion scrolls, TT cards, minions, etc?

Sounds more like you're unhappy that "non-casual" content has extra perks like dyeable versions of the gear found in normal content and a mount reward for players engaging in harder content.

If you want the dyeable versions of the gear so you can flaunt it off in Limsa Lominsa, then you take time out of your afk sessions and engage with the content that rewards it, or you suck it up and wait until the next expansion when you can out-level, out-gear and unsync the content for your free mail-in rewards.

There's very limited replay value of these in comparison. Rewards like minions, orchestrion rolls, and TT cards etc., are generally not as highly sought after as gear, for example, and as far as gear goes, normal mode gear is near enough invalidated the same moment it is released. Crafted gear is generally inexpensive enough, so the incentive to actually replay a normal mode is already diminished and most especially with the accessibility with crafting, even for your most casual players. If Alliance Raids dropped gear equivalent to savage/tomestone gear, then the incentive would go up greatly (unless you're farming for glamour). Same thing with alliance raid gear, it drops at the same point as augmented crafted, and by the time it comes out, a lot of players will have already capped with the tomestones, so would quite easily get nearly everything to augmented. This is something I have done since Stormblood. It's the same thing with 8-man normal raid gear, this gear should be higher item level than crafted, seeing as it is weekly gated. Once again, something that would greatly improve the replayability.

I don't think people take as much issue with whether something has extra perks or not, but the fact remains regardless of these assumptions, it is something that improves incentive for getting the gear outside of BiS. Same thing applies with the mount, generally people hold more value in mounts than they do minions. Once again, regardless of your assumptions, the fact remains this is yet also another incentive to engage with that content. The question or issue isn't whether they should or should not. It's a question regarding the amount of replay value on those rewards.