Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[MrJPtheAssassin]

You can spend a bit of Gil on gear on the early stages of the patch tbh. You can expect to see prices between 15-20M, and this isn't including world prog players that usually buy an Ornate piece with Wondrous Tales either, which is quite a lot on its own. But I think the notion that casual players don't really have a spending outlet is the most ridiculous notion you can probably have, there's several directly high costing mounts, and then between cosmetics and any additional minions or mounts a player may buy, it really stacks up. I'm a casual but I can quite easily spend 100-200M per major patch.

A lot of hardcore crafting statics that do week 1 usually actually rely on external crafters to the static, it's a very common practice, as the gear is not really needed for most until the third turn, so it allows for prog whilst crafters are churning away. Some statics will organize a handful of crafters, and some others may turn around and say it's the individual members' responsibility to ensure they find a crafter. The amount of strays I find on the first day or two is a lot.

I think generally people underestimate just how expensive it can be if you collect mounts/minions/cosmetics. But frankly, the whole reception and generally how dismissive people have been on this unironically makes me wish the OG concealed/favor nodes would return, because you know, apparently too much in this game is handed off as a freebie, and apparently casual players have very little reason at all to purchase this gear.

I guess if you are a day one raider sure...but I feel most raiders are not day one/world prog raiders. I never buy gear myself, I prefer to use my BiS gear over spending mils on gear that just going to be replaced in a few weeks. Also, I feel a lot of those types of raiders also have ppl who make their gear for them as well just like pots and food. I just don't think raiders are spending every single gil they have on raid food, pots, and gear.

[Lilapop]

Presumably they couldn't clear the content (and of course no one is going to just carry them), and I can only guess the marketboard price is still incredibly high for their budget or the idea of spending millions for a hairstyle they helped to make rubs them the wrong way when they would have preferred getting it in content they actually engage with.

And while this part is just vicious rumor and I've seen no evidence for it beyond people trying to make things sound worst (so even I don't believe it), some have tried to claim the contest winner has expressed regret now on entering said contest and doesn't plan to do so again, though I'm not even sure if the rules allow for someone to enter and win multiple times anyway.

If this were any random player the topic would start and end with "skill issue." This person won, and got their hair design in the game -- which is what the contest was for to start with.

[Lilapop]

I'll claim it. People would legitimately complain less if the reward were put on the mogstation for $5 instead of something you actually have to play the game for. In fact, they DID put exclusive hair on the mogstore for $5 and there was barely even a grumble about it. People's priorities and expectations are broken.

People complain about things being put there all the time. Are you selectively blind? Every time something new comes out, people complain. People complained graha's hair is separate from the clothing, even. Barely a grumble? Just because you (whether intentionally or not) fail to notice something doesn't mean it's even there. People complain less about the mogstore now because it's old news. The hairstyle in a Chaotic raid is new news. So of course people are being louder about it. That is literally how news works.

[Kaurhz]

I guess if you are a day one raider sure...but I feel most raiders are not day one/world prog raiders. I never buy gear myself, I prefer to use my BiS gear over spending mils on gear that just going to be replaced in a few weeks. Also, I feel a lot of those types of raiders also have ppl who make their gear for them as well just like pots and food. I just don't think raiders are spending every single gil they have on raid food, pots, and gear.

Most are not, and even most that pay premium end up not needing it until after the price has already crashed. A lot will do it simply because they feel it’s the cool thing to do.

Most raiders aren’t spending every dime of their Gil I do agree with. Contrary to what people might think raiders have quite a lot of outlets for making Gil. Some methods are just not necessarily widely encouraged by SE.

[AllenThyl]

Presumably they couldn't clear the content (and of course no one is going to just carry them), and I can only guess the marketboard price is still incredibly high for their budget or the idea of spending millions for a hairstyle they helped to make rubs them the wrong way when they would have preferred getting it in content they actually engage with.

And while this part is just vicious rumor and I've seen no evidence for it beyond people trying to make things sound worst (so even I don't believe it), some have tried to claim the contest winner has expressed regret now on entering said contest and doesn't plan to do so again, though I'm not even sure if the rules allow for someone to enter and win multiple times anyway.

Here is the page I could find: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...86c364efc07a2/
I can't see where it says "the winner will also get it for free". The reward for participation was the earring, no? Again, managing expectations is a skill that needs to be learned and exercised, otherwise people will be in for a hard and unpleasant ride through life.

[Lilapop]

Most are not, and even most that pay premium end up not necessarily actually making use out of it until after the price has already crashed. A lot will do it simply because they feel it’s the cool thing to do.

Most raiders aren’t spending every dime of their Gil I do agree with. Contrary to what people might think raiders have quite a lot of outlets for making Gil. Some methods are just not necessarily widely encouraged by SE.

Most people "pay premium and not end up necessarily making use out of it" because people are constantly told to get the best gear possible as soon as possible, whether they plan or even have an interest in raiding or not.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

We already have that in the Golden Saucer, where you need to dish out MGP to get hairstyles, this is even more accessible since all you need to do is get the Gil to get it. This is additional customization you get from PLAYING the game. I just don't see the difference, honestly.

To me it's kind of insane that you guys are complaining about not being able to get it, you can get it, just do the content, or pay for it with your Gil.

Here's the thing tho...when something is added to Golden Saucer ppl know it will always be there to get. So they can grind the MGP over the course of months or years and get the item. With this new 24-man and content like this, it has a shelf life and if history has told us anything its shelf is probably just a few months before PF becomes a wasteland for it. Sure Discord server will keep it alive on life support but you probably be lucky to get just a few clears a week of since it requires 24 ppl to run it. When the fight does go on life support this means there be fewer rewards being pushed onto the MB to buy and that also means the price will skyrocket to outrageous amounts of gil(since you know how suppy and demand works, less of a high demand item means the highest price.) Btw reason I bring up the few clears week is bc after most of the community gets their first-time clears, the amount of clears even buying the hairstyle from the vendors goes up to around 46 clears each...The only reason the MB is filled with the hair now is because the content is new and ppl are still getting the first-time bonus. When that bonus goes away, I bet you see a lot fewer hairstyles on the MB.

[Tint]

Here's the thing tho...when something is added to Golden Saucer ppl know it will always be there to get. So they can grind the MGP over the course of months or years and get the item. With this new 24-man and content like this, it has a shelf life and if history has told us anything its shelf is probably just a few months before PF becomes a wasteland for it.

Exactly. When the prices would constantly drop to a manageable level and the market board would have enough hairstyles for everyone I think the complains would be less.

I am monitoring the prices on the EU data center and they dropped from 25 mio to 12-15 mio and for a few days the prices are already rising again and are now at 18 mio. The content is already dying out.

[Eyrilona]

Then what's the problem? You already done with all the other "causal" / "midcore" grinds this game has to offer?

If by that you mean having done Deep Dungeons and Eureka and Bozja, grinded relic weapons in ARR, HW, SB, ShB and EW, done every last yellow quest across every zone, completed the sightseeing log for every expansion, having from scratch upgraded my own latest pentamelded BiS crafter gear (and the matching gatherer set) with the release of 7.1, unlocked every dungeon and raid below savage, checked all the boxes to keep my Trade and Combat mentor flag after the DT updates, maxed out every allied society in every expansion, capped every job in the game to 100, found every path through every Variant Dungeon without looking up solutions, and bought every unique reward from the PvP vendors and the Gold Saucer worth having, and capped out Island Sanctuary and Doman Restoration and Ishgardian Restoration (when that was still a thing happening), and run Treasure Maps hundreds upon hundreds of times?

Yeah.. done or good as done actually. I still have Reaper at only 95 I think and Picto at 90 because I have been sleeping on them, and I still need to do the jump puzzle in Tuliyollal for the last sightseeing point of DT, but other than that I'm pretty much done with what's not high-end raiding.

The only content I am aware of that I still need to chase to completion or near completion, is catching every Big Fish.

I play every single area of content you can play in this game that isn't current high end raids, and I am literally through all of it or as good as -- and on most counts, was so before Dawntrail even dropped. I even own the darn mount that costs 50,000 bicolor gemstones, as well as every mount they ever put in a Treasure Maps dungeon.

And I still had time on the side to build up a well stocked selection of glams, perform and coordinate bard concerts, and go clubbing too.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

My answer is yes. I’m complaining now the reward structure of CAR is shit with the hair, it’s gonna be even more shit without it because as you say the entire reward structure is flawed down to the core

This isn’t to say I support “well if it’s all a mess then why make the hair a CAR reward” as like I said I have no particular attachment to it as a CAR reward I just don’t like the idea of people who refuse to do CAR AND refuse to interact with the economy to get it

I fully believe that the hairstyle won’t save CAR and that the reward structure of the entire game is flawed. But as it stands if you won’t do CAR AND you won’t go get the money you really can’t claim you deserve the hair

I know we don't see eye to eye on this topic but I do understand where you coming from. Im also don't think ppl should be just given the hairstyle. That said I also don't want the only two ways to get it is "Do content that is a nightmare in PF and will die in few months or pay outrageous amounts of gil that will break your gil bank." I personally wish they added the hairstyle to more casual to mid-core friendly content, like something you can grind for on your own without having to interact with the MB. Like yeah, I can buy the hairstyle but if I did I would be completely broke and also it wouldnt feel good bc I didn't earn it. Im going to do CODCAR but Im afraid with my schedule and how PF is, I won't be able to clear it enough times before the content dies to even buy it from the vendor. You see my issue with it being in CAR now? No I don't want it to be a handout but I don't want to be locked into some content that is huge pain to clear in PF either. I rather it is in the next eurake-style area in a gacha box than where it is now or even in maps.