Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[Kaurhz]

If they didn’t put the hairstyle in CAR what would they have put? There is already mounts, and armour, straight up right there they have exhausted what they normally put in savage level content as a reward.

I would posit a response question in return here, tbh.. If the hairstyle weren't included, let's say it wasn't included in the patch at all.. Would you then be complaining about lack of reward? Despite it already still having 2 mounts (1 tradeable), with a minion, also tradeable, in addition to the i730 gear?

Also, the reward structure and economy being an issue with the game is mostly down to a focus-point on short-term content, over long-term content. Design in some games lends itself really well to this, FFXIV doesn't. If they wanted this to not be an issue, then a heck of a lot more stuff would end up being marketboard-able, and gear would need to last a hell of a lot longer than just a single 4-month cycle, and be significantly harder to obtain than it already is, and older content would need to have significantly more value in the overall content lifecycle. and IMO poor reward appropriation and hairstyles doesn't resolve this, it's a thinly veiled attempt to try and band aid over content that they probably already know full well won't have the same retention 3 months down the line.

[Supersnow845]

I would posit a response question in return here, tbh.. If the hairstyle weren't included, let's say it wasn't included in the patch at all.. Would you then be complaining about lack of reward? Despite it already still having 2 mounts (1 tradeable), with a minion, also tradeable, in addition to the i730 gear?

Also, the reward structure and economy being an issue with the game is mostly down to a focus-point on short-term content, over long-term content. Design in some games lends itself really well to this, FFXIV doesn't. If they wanted this to not be an issue, then a heck of a lot more stuff would end up being marketboard-able, and gear would need to last a hell of a lot longer than just a single 4-month cycle, and be significantly harder to obtain than it already is, and older content would need to have significantly more value in the overall content lifecycle. and IMO poor reward appropriation and hairstyles doesn't resolve this, it's a thinly veiled attempt to try and band aid over content that they probably already know full well won't have the same retention 3 months down the line.

My answer is yes. I’m complaining now the reward structure of CAR is shit with the hair, it’s gonna be even more shit without it because as you say the entire reward structure is flawed down to the core

This isn’t to say I support “well if it’s all a mess then why make the hair a CAR reward” as like I said I have no particular attachment to it as a CAR reward I just don’t like the idea of people who refuse to do CAR AND refuse to interact with the economy to get it

I fully believe that the hairstyle won’t save CAR and that the reward structure of the entire game is flawed. But as it stands if you won’t do CAR AND you won’t go get the money you really can’t claim you deserve the hair

[Kaurhz]

Curious to see how hard the turn is on the ship with correcting the course. One of the cultural problems that happens in Japan is that it is hard for people in that culture to call out their boss on stupid decisions, which ironically makes it hard to fix a problem because the person in charge doesn't know something is wrong. In the west it is almost the opposite problem where we tear each other apart too much instead of being supportive.

At this point they are making more of an effort to see how deep the Mariana Trench is rather than actually seeing about a course correct,

My answer is yes. I’m complaining now the reward structure of CAR is shit with the hair, it’s gonna be even more shit without it because as you say the entire reward structure is flawed down to the core

This isn’t to say I support “well if it’s all a mess then why make the hair a CAR reward” as like I said I have no particular attachment to it as a CAR reward I just don’t like the idea of people who refuse to do CAR AND refuse to interact with the economy to get it

I fully believe that the hairstyle won’t save CAR and that the reward structure of the entire game is flawed. But as it stands if you won’t do CAR AND you won’t go get the money you really can’t claim you deserve the hair

Well at least you're fully acknowledging the issue, and understanding it is inherently flawed, which is precisely why a lot of people have issue with this in the first place. For me personally the hairstyle is like a grain of sand on a beach. I can afford it many times over, and I don't even like it, but I am still going to have issue with it on a matter of principle. So I don't think it's necessarily fair as to say that the issue is that simple. As all of these are absolutely going to be a concern in the long-term.

[ViinaS]

Apart form the difficulty for 24-Man content, theres one massive glaring issue with this as well.
It's short lived content with long live content reward structure.

Why the hell should people grind this hellscape of a content drop for so long only to collect Tokens to trade in for the things (multiple most likely) they want.

[Lilapop]

Is that actually true? I genuinely don't know. There were raiders on Reddit reporting making 80 million+ within the first couple of days of CAR, but maybe that's not usually the case?

"Casual content generates the most..."
"Raiders on Reddit reporting making 80 million+"

I'll let you see where you messed up.

[Immut]

Apart form the difficulty for 24-Man content, theres one massive glaring issue with this as well.
It's short lived content with long live content reward structure.

Why the hell should people grind this hellscape of a content drop for so long only to collect Tokens to trade in for the things (multiple most likely) they want.

Because that's how rare drops in MMOs work. You do the most godawful time wasting thing you can find and then brag about how you have the thing nobody else has because you did the job nobody wanted to do.

[Lilapop]

Because that's how rare drops in MMOs work. You do the most godawful time wasting thing you can find and then brag about how you have the thing nobody else has because you did the job nobody wanted to do.

What exactly constitutes a "rare drop" from this raid?

[Exmo]

This thread reads like a thinly veiled attempt to call other people entitled rather than genuinely asking a question.

[BigCheez]

This thread reads like a thinly veiled attempt to call other people entitled rather than genuinely asking a question.

But the question is "why are some of you so entitled?".

It's a videogame. You're buying the content. You aren't directly buying all of the possible rewards.

When devs try to people please by making everything for everyone, they end up making too many compromises and making everything for no one. If you want the rewards, do the content that offers the rewards. If you don't want to do the content, you don't get the rewards. In this case, the marketboard is an alternate avenue to the rewards for people who don't want to do the content so I really don't understand what the fuss is about.

[Lilapop]

But that's exactly what's happening here, casuals got nothing while hardcore gets everything, and the moment the casuals asked for even a tiny crumb (a hairstyle from a contest where even the winner can't get the hair) they're immediately called entitled brats and told to go back and starve in the corner.

The OP came right out the gate swinging, wanting to make it casual vs. hardcore right away, so it's a bit disingenuous for you or anyone else to be yelling "hey, no hitting back!" when they literally started it.

Why can the winner not get the hair? Are they refusing to do the content or buy it off the market board?