Chaotic Alliance Raid: More Content for Professional Gamers

[AllenThyl]

Hold on there.... that is population who has done savages including everyone who only has only done savages after they were nerfed / could be unsynced / outgeared. For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier. Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%. And for clearing it more than once, it drops off too -- the Achievement for clearing M4S 10 times is held by only 3.5%

That same source also has 30% as clear rate for the DT main scenario quest achievement. That should be your baseline. People that are still levelling / free trials, don't have access to current high-end duty content and are busy with the story / content of previous expansions anyway.

[jadeharley]

One thing I feel like isn't considered is that savage raiders and casual players aren't different species of human. A casual player can easily gear up and do savage content.

[Kaurhz]

One thing I feel like isn't considered is that savage raiders and casual players aren't different species of human. A casual player can easily gear up and do savage content.

They can, and it is being considered, just doesn't matter too much , because if they're going to jump straight into a 24-man chaotic without having done anything prior, like current EX or above, then the likelihood is that they are just going to make the experience miserable for a lot of people around them. Didn't take long either for people to complain about it. Some posts have even suggest that EX3 should be a requirement lol.

[AllenThyl]

"wheres ur proof?"
"google it bro"

The original post you replied to said it'll make "1% of players happy." Nothing relating to gear or expert dungeons. Which, with the amount of criticism surrounding this fight, I'm inclined to actually believe as it stands right now, 1% is closer to the amount of people who are actually happy with this fight as is right now. For everyone one person saying the fight is fine and doesn't need to be changed, there's a whole thread of people disagreeing. To answer your comment directly, there are no sources that measure... happiness? Am I missing something? Is there a misunderstanding here?

Yeah, in this case, it is indeed "google it bro", since none of these sources are in any way official and that gets me into the gray area of getting banned on these forums pretty quick. Further, if your argument is that my statement is not acceptable because I don't have official sources to quote, then the argument of "1%" should be completely unacceptable for you, because there are zero sources for that number. There is a difference between a rough estimate based on the available data, and just making up stuff to just slag on a quite significant part of the community.

[Eyrilona]

That stat is for the current savage tier.
My methodology was to divide the number of people with the M4S mount with the number of people with the M4 normal minion. Which resulted in 24.7%.

I didn't look at the achievements, so let's try that with achievements then:

29.8% of people who cleared M4 also cleared M4S.

Looking at the Achievement seems the less indirect way? The ratio of clearing M4 to M4S doesn't say much because then you'd have to correct for the casuals that already consider current extremes a high-end content that they do not engage with, so that number is skewed by the very phenomenon that you're trying to figure out.

That same source also has 30% as clear rate for the DT main scenario quest achievement. That should be your baseline. People that are still levelling / free trials, don't have access to current high-end duty content and are busy with the story / content of previous expansions anyway.

That is a good point, so if it is 7.8% having cleared Savage with only 30% eligible for endgame content, that does change things by a lot. I'd have to look into how those numbers are calculated exactly then, whether that is against total population or against population at endgame. If it is against people registered with FFXIVCollections, then it would introduce a whole new skew which is that only the non-casuals are on that site in the first place.

[Kaurhz]

Looking at the Achievement seems the less indirect way? The ratio of clearing M4 to M4S doesn't say much because then you'd have to correct for the casuals that already consider current extremes a high-end content that they do not engage with, so that number is skewed by the very phenomenon that you're trying to figure out.




That is a good point, so if it is 7.8% having cleared Savage with only 30% eligible for endgame content, that does change things by a lot. I'd have to look into how those numbers are calculated exactly then, whether that is against total population or against population at endgame. If it is against people registered with FFXIVCollections, then it would introduce a whole new skew which is that only the non-casuals are on that site in the first place.

Total number of players tracked according to XIVCollect with Achievement profile as public is 237,403. If you track it based on achievement data then it would be around 71221 people that have completed the Dawntrail story.

There's still 903K characters tracked according to that website, so I don't think it is only non-casuals on there.

[SkankyRoe]

That's only relevant in the future. I'm talking about right now.

How is it only relevant in the future? The ilvl sync is in place right now. Everyone who enters is synced up to 735. There is no advantage for having higher than 710 for this raid.

[BristolRuss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MiP1MJC7EU

[jadeharley]

The ilvl sync is right now. Everyone who enters is synced to that, so current gear ilvls don't matter because they are forced up to all match. The raid is scaled to that, so there is no gearing up to make it easier.

what? you misread the duty finder. the content is item level synced to 735, which means it will become easier first when 735 dungeon gear is released, then when gear that caps 735 substats is released.

The only content that syncs you *up* is Bozja

[Eyrilona]

The ilvl sync is right now. Everyone who enters is synced to that, so current gear ilvls don't matter because they are forced up to all match. The raid is scaled to that, so there is no gearing up to make it easier.

Oh, that wasn't the question. Because Jeeqbit hadn't clarified his methodology yet at that point, it looked like the number he gave initially could have been % players that ever engaged with Savage content, which would have included people who had e.g. farmed HW Savage raids for the mounts, but done it unsynced from level 90 or 100.