Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[hydralus]

last time i check , the game is a paid service , people are ENTITLED to complain all they want for absolutely anything , we are customers

the end

That's not the argument they were making. It's not about whether or not you feel entitled to complain, it's why do you feel entitled to the cosmetic item itself. I mean dang there's a half dozen hairstyles I want that are cash shop exclusive but I ain't complaining about it.

[Supersnow845]

Like i said i another thread, it would be glorious when something that the hardcore raiders want, like a BIS piece would be locked behind a casual 50 hours cosmic exploration journey with hopefully mandatory max level crafting/gathering involved so they cant buy their way out of it.

They would collectively lose their marbles and say that the rewards don't fit the content.
Oh how ironic and satisfying it would be.

You mean like how every single patch raiders spend millions of Gil buying the crafted sets so they can raid their or frantically level their crafters prior to the first tier of an expansion to make it themselves

You can buy this hairstyle, so it’s basically the same as raiders buying a heir gear locked behind casual crafting content

[Voidmage]

But that just circles back to the point discussed across the last page or two. It’s not “locked” behind savage, it’s purchasable on the marketboard.

If you don’t want to do savage that’s totally fine, if you think the content is flawed regardless of its reward structure that is also fine (and I’d agree) but in this game casual content is the main money generator (as opposed to something like RuneScape where high end endgame content and skilling is the main money generator)

How can you claim you are locked out of rewards when if you really don’t want to do savage for a reward you can just do 10 hours of bunny fates and buy it instead

Maybe my English is not good enough but doesn’t locked behind in this game mean that it’s a reward from the content instead of being an exclusive from there?
Is there another word for this?

Even the marketboard is not a good excuse in my opinion (even though I like that they at least made it so it can be sold there) because the prizes are far too high and might even get higher as less and less people do this content and the first time bonus disappears.
That’s my main problem with it.
As soon as the first time bonus disappears the prizes will probably skyrocket and it will become a pseudo exclusive.

If there is a hairstyle locked behind it I would have liked to have its unlock currency be dropped significantly OR make it a guarantee for first timers to get.
That way you would have long life if the content because players would just do that content in their own pace or discord help groups instead of fearing they have to rush it now or be locked into a hard grind for content they don’t even like and have the effect of them actually doing harder content.
That would also significantly decrease the market prize.

[Mawlzy]

Even the marketboard is not a good excuse in my opinion (even though I like that they at least made it so it can be sold there) because the prizes are far too high and might even get higher as less and less people do this content and the first time bonus disappears.
That’s my main problem with it.
As soon as the first time bonus disappears the prizes will probably skyrocket and it will become a pseudo exclusive.

Given the shelf life of this chaotic raid is likely measured in weeks at best, it's quite likely the number of these things dropped will only ever provide enough for a tiny fraction of the player base.

And I still don't understand the thematic link between coiffure and the void.

[TBerry]

Another mid-core savage raider.

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

You mean like how every single patch raiders spend millions of Gil buying the crafted sets so they can raid their or frantically level their crafters prior to the first tier of an expansion to make it themselves

You can buy this hairstyle, so it’s basically the same as raiders buying a heir gear locked behind casual crafting content

Thats not really a fair comparison and you know it.

-We know, based on years of experience when exactly a raid tier happen,
-We know that the crafter gear is the requirement to participate
-We know what you need to level for it if you want to craft it yourself,
-We also know that you need x amount of gil by the deadline.
-We know what materias you need

This gear btw is also guaranteed to drop in value massively as time goes on and the content stays the same for your enjoyment later on if you want to do it the hard way,or you can just unsync it later and do it so the rewards are never lost.

Meanwhile:

Chaotic was a completely unknown territory,
-We did not know how hard it will be, most people hoped that its more accessible than it is.
-We did not know how the reward structure is set up
-We did not know what the hair looks like until very close to the release
-We cant afford to wait, because the more people are done, the supply is getting weaker and weaker and the reward we want,becomes more expensive overtime.
-Speaking of waiting, we cant once again do that, because the content is not unsyncable like a savage is.

Once the sweats are done with the content and the initial supply of the hairstyle is gone, its GG.

The ironic situation i was talking about is more evil than you can imagine:

-Crafted gear is now replaced with cosmic gear just to mess up the planning
-You need a 40 hour grind to even unlock the recipe for it that requires a currency that was not available prior to release so you need to grind that one as well.
-Soft rework crafters so that macros dont work anymore just to make sure its enjoyable to craft <3
-It can only accept a new lvl13 materia that comes from island sanctuary or because im generous alternatively you can buy from beast tribe currencies if you have them all maxed out.
-Savage is now only 3 fights because seems like every content is being cut short nowadays
-The drops for savage are replaced with housing items.

Have fun <3
See how easy it is to create content that has rewards and requirements that are completely out of place?
Its only there to encourage people to do cosmic exploration, why would you possibly have a problem with a system like that?

[hydralus]

The ironic situation i was talking about is more evil than you can imagine:

-Crafted gear is now replaced with cosmic gear just to mess up the planning
-You need a 40 hour grind to even unlock the recipe for it that requires a currency that was not available prior to release so you need to grind that one as well.
-Soft rework crafters so that macros dont work anymore just to make sure its enjoyable to craft <3
-It can only accept a new lvl13 materia that comes from island sanctuary or because im generous alternatively you can buy from beast tribe currencies if you have them all maxed out.
-Savage is now only 3 fights because seems like every content is being cut short nowadays
-The drops for savage are replaced with housing items.

Have fun <3
See how easy it is to create content that has rewards and requirements that are completely out of place?
Its only there to encourage people to do cosmic exploration, why would you possibly have a problem with a system like that?

Island sanctuary having a new use? Yes please, sign me up. Also macros not working anymore just means I'll make more gil so I'd gladly take that as well. I'll be freakin' swimming in gil.

[Supersnow845]

You say “that’s not a fair comparison” then just randomly vomit out completely pointless changes to systems that completely break content for absolutely no reason then say that’s a fair comparison. Fact is savage participation is locked behind either money or casual content, the fact that CAR “blindsided” the expected release method of the hairstyle doesn’t make a “now you have to do cosmic exploration for 40 hours to get the savage recipes” an equivalent comparison; though if they were tradeable that would actually probably be an improvement to incentivise pushing high end raiders into other content as well

Remember DRN, do you know what they did when this same argument was rolled out that as soon as the “bozja sweats” stop running it the haircut would disappear forever…………they put it on a mog tome event. The idea that this hairstyle is going to be the next RuneScape Christmas cracker and just vanish from existence is hilarious as a reason for why it should be changed. What about the tradeable mount, is that going to vanish into the aether as well and before people say “well Bozja is casual content” the same arguments of “it’s locked behind 30 hours of BSF grinding and CLL, as soon as Bozja is old you’ll never find 24 people to run it” were also used

[Kaurhz]

Maybe my English is not good enough but doesn’t locked behind in this game mean that it’s a reward from the content instead of being an exclusive from there?
Is there another word for this?

Even the marketboard is not a good excuse in my opinion (even though I like that they at least made it so it can be sold there) because the prizes are far too high and might even get higher as less and less people do this content and the first time bonus disappears.
That’s my main problem with it.
As soon as the first time bonus disappears the prizes will probably skyrocket and it will become a pseudo exclusive.

If there is a hairstyle locked behind it I would have liked to have its unlock currency be dropped significantly OR make it a guarantee for first timers to get.
That way you would have long life if the content because players would just do that content in their own pace or discord help groups instead of fearing they have to rush it now or be locked into a hard grind for content they don’t even like and have the effect of them actually doing harder content.
That would also significantly decrease the market prize.

It will be something that dips in price, but over time it will just increase in price once the bonuses for new people have been exhausted, this alone is a significant factor in price, then it will increase further once the PF shelf-life has gone down. I don't think the hairstyle is completely unaffordable, but the price isn't something that will definitively diminish over time, like it does with crafted gear, for example. I see the comparison people are making, but the specific larger-scale content has had lower shelf life historically speaking, so they are wildly different in that regard -- Crafted gear wildly diminishes in price and has a lot more affordability by the time most people actually need the gear for savage. - It will be something that inevitably hits the Treasure Trove in a couple of years.

Now if people wanted to be obtuse about this whole thing like a few people are doing so with casuals, then one could say that the exact same thing happens with raiders when it comes to crafted gear, this much was on as much display when they elected to revert the change of delaying crafted gear. -- Again, if we wanted to be intentionally obtuse about it.

Half of this situation probably wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for a few electives feeling like they should determine who the content is or isn't for after just a couple of hours after release. Like, some people seem to be against people feeling entitled, but then are also equally as against it when those that aren't entitled -- But are also casuals -- End up actually trying to do the content for said reward. Like, there is no win-win with some of the people.

That's not the argument they were making. It's not about whether or not you feel entitled to complain, it's why do you feel entitled to the cosmetic item itself. I mean dang there's a half dozen hairstyles I want that are cash shop exclusive but I ain't complaining about it.

A lot more people are complaining about the suitability of it, and the detriment this causes when players are flooding high-end duties when the aren't necessarily equipped to do so, than what there are people complaining about feeling directly entitled to the reward itself.

[Absurdity]

Like there is so so many options for collecting Gil even passively, if you don’t want to engage with it then you can’t complain that you never have any money

But won't you think of the very specific case of hyper casual that never levels their crafters, never does roulettes, never levels their retainers, never does treasure maps or fates and only plays 1 hour a week? How will they ever be able to afford this one cosmetic that they most certainly need? /s

As a side note, I wouldn't go for something like the Lakeland trees, or at least only as a temporary measure to dump your bicolour gems, and instead spend the time to get all ShB zones to max to unlock the final vendors in Eulmore and the Crystarium.
Because barely anybody can apparently be bothered to do that the items from them sell for ridiculous amounts.