Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[Gurgeh]

MrJPtheAssassin is the perfect example of entitlement I'm talking about.

Content is too hard.
Making Gil is too hard.

Yes it is though. Frankly I bet all you people are using add-ons. Add-ons to coach your DPS after every pull. Adds maybe even to play the game. Adds for market board. Add-ons for recipies. Add-ons even to do the crafting.
Yes gearing is too hard. Gil is too hard. Crafting is hopelessly complicated.
On console you can't even copy and paste a goddamn crafting macro from the internet if you did want to cheat. Which word be no fun anyway.

Before I started unsubbing this year I played the game all evening evening. I never seemed to be geared like savage raiders. I never seemed to have the Gil they all had. They all had their crafters levelled and I was still doing DT MSQ. (Two weeks solid play) Wtf is going on.

[Supersnow845]

A full set of roulettes is about 50,000 Gil as a baseline, add in AIN and you get another 50-75,000 then add in rolling on everything else and selling the seal products you can easily make close to 200k per day just running roulettes and rolling on stuff and selling the products doesn’t even need the roulettes if you wanna farm more

Crafting isn’t hard just use craftingway to make the craft for you, it’s not an add on it’s a website that checks your attributes and makes a recipe for you, if you oppose that from a game purity perspective then I don’t know what to tell you. It’s literally the most legal thing possible, it spits out a macro, the game has macro support, when I played on console I typed in those macros letter by letter on a Bluetooth keyboard? Don’t act like that’s an illegal add on

Bunnies in eureka can make you millions of gold in an hour and you spend 80% of it AFK. You can do the same reflecting sprites in Bozja or running other fragment groups. Hell even running things like dal can get you rare fragments like lost excellence.

Bicolour gems can be a fantastic source of money because a lot of housing items like the purple trees from Lakeland sell for a lot considering how easy they are to obtain

Run retainers, coffers regularly award dyes that sell for a lot, open 20-30 coffers and you’ll get at least one jet black/pure white

Like there is so so many options for collecting Gil even passively, if you don’t want to engage with it then you can’t complain that you never have any money

[hydralus]

Also you don't need to even learn crafting to make gil. Just become a gatherer and no-brain it. You can get 330k an hour from basic mats or you can make about 400-500k with mount tokens and materia. 100 hours and you're good to go.

[Gurgeh]

If you don't know how to craft, refuse to sort your inventory, don't want to grind and don't want to do the actual raid, then I dunno guess you're just out of options.

You know damn well noone knows how to craft not the raiders. They just cheat and copy paste macros and use those recipe solvers, whats the point.

Grind? Grind what? What is there useful to grind that helps you get geared for savage 'in time'.

Raid. I can't raid . I can't get geared until none is doing the raid anymore.

I do manage inventory. But how does that get me Gill?. I put something up for 800gil, next day I come back and market is down to 90gil and hasn't sold.

There seems to be more than one XIV game being played and I seem to be playing the wrong one.

I keep hearing about these console raiders. And I'm sure they exist. I've yet to meet one though.

[Supersnow845]

Why do you care that other people “cheat” (it’s not cheating) to use macro generators when the option is available to you as well and it’s not against the games rules

I don’t understand why you expect anyone to have sympathy for you when you impose pointless purity rules on yourself then complain when said purity rules make the game harder on yourself

And let’s say you ignore crafting because of these weird purity rules: DO eureka or Bozja or roulettes, or seal farming, or bicolour gem farming

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You do realize there's a trial synthesis feature and in-game progress calculator if you're such a gameplay purist for whatever reason, right? I just read what each actions does, fire up the trial synthesis and make my own macro. Anybody can do that.

People also underestimate the amount of gil they amass from just playing dailies. Of course, it wouldn't be surprising that some remained broke because they simply do not play the game or have terrible spending habit, or combination of both.

[hydralus]

You know damn well noone knows how to craft not the raiders. They just cheat and copy paste macros and use those recipe solvers, whats the point.

Grind? Grind what? What is there useful to grind that helps you get geared for savage 'in time'.

Raid. I can't raid . I can't get geared until none is doing the raid anymore.

I do manage inventory. But how does that get me Gill?. I put something up for 800gil, next day I come back and market is down to 90gil and hasn't sold.

There seems to be more than one XIV game being played and I seem to be playing the wrong one.

I keep hearing about these console raiders. And I'm sure they exist. I've yet to meet one though.

Well you're the one that brought up your inventory being full. "but then my inventory is full, I have to start passing, and when I get back it's mostly worthless junk that I've got."

As an aside, I've never used anyone else's crafting macro nor any add-ons to do my crafting for me, and it's really not that difficult. It's pretty intuitive that an ability that lets you restore all durability for 112 crafting points is pretty poggers or that groundwork would be used very heavily.

As another aside, if you're just worried about gearing for savage, you've had plenty of time to gear for chaotic now. Give that a go and sell the hair and you're rolling in gil.

[Gurgeh]

Why do you care that other people “cheat” (it’s not cheating) to use macro generators when the option is available to you as well and it’s not against the games rules

I don’t understand why you expect anyone to have sympathy for you when you impose pointless purity rules on yourself then complain when said purity rules make the game harder on yourself

And let’s say you ignore crafting because of these weird purity rules: DO eureka or Bozja or roulettes, or seal farming, or bicolour gem farming

Very respectfully I do get your point but I don't believe you.
Eureka was what was doing non stop waiting for DT (lots of fun). I don't remember earning a penny really from it. Just lots of clothing items no-one wanted according to the market board.
Again bozja. I dont remember it earning me any money back when I did it just before EW came out. And it was dead last time I went in (during DT with a friend, who's now unsubbed)

Roulettes isn't nearly enough to buy crafted gear for raiding. Not nearly. Roulettes for a week won't even but you one piece of gear back when savage was first coming out. I was playing the game constantly and really enjoying it. Looking forward to DT and being caught up and ready to try savage for first time. Turned out I wasn't ready and now that's that.
Right now the only content that's fun is extremes. But practing Extremes gets you 'zero' Gil. Zero. Not joining farm parties. Mostly moody speed run A holes. Wood that get me much Gil even if I did.

Chaotic . Well at the moment that is not getting me any gil.

No I dont expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Certainly not. If the game isn't for me I just shouldn't play. (And today my sub runs out! Thanks Chaotic PF for helping me with that decision. Such a shame. Chaotic DF/RF was loads of fun. PF attitude sucked though)

But there are a lot of people who are clueless about how much Gil is worth if you are just a casual gamer who wants to play however you want, but the one thing left to you is your RP and your glam 'which you are passionate about'. And your being cut out of that *by the high end scene* yet again. It's all about the high end.

#Non-syncshell-rp-strike!

I don't care about the hairstyle. But I do sympathise. Yet again, there are people who are basically saying "I'm sorry you are unhappy, but what you need to understand is that I'm happy, so F you"

[Supersnow845]

Very respectfully I do get your point but I don't believe you.
Eureka was what was doing non stop waiting for DT (lots of fun). I don't remember earning a penny really from it. Just lots of clothing items no-one wanted according to the market board.
Again bozja. I dont remember it earning me any money back when I did it just before EW came out. And it was dead last time I went in (during DT with a friend, who's now unsubbed)

Roulettes isn't nearly enough to buy crafted gear for raiding. Not nearly. Roulettes for a week won't even but you one piece of gear back when savage was first coming out. I was playing the game constantly and really enjoying it. Looking forward to DT and being caught up and ready to try savage for first time. Turned out I wasn't ready and now that's that.
Right now the only content that's fun is extremes. But practing Extremes gets you 'zero' Gil. Zero. Not joining farm parties. Mostly moody speed run A holes. Wood that get me much Gil even if I did.

Chaotic . Well at the moment that is not getting me any gil.

No I dont expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Certainly not. If the game isn't for me I just shouldn't play. (And today my sub runs out! Thanks Chaotic PF for helping me with that decision. Such a shame. Chaotic DF/RF was loads of fun. PF attitude sucked though)

But there are a lot of people who are clueless about how much Gil is worth if you are just a casual gamer who wants to play however you want, but the one thing left to you is your RP and your glam 'which you are passionate about'. And your being cut out of that *by the high end scene* yet again. It's all about the high end.

#Non-syncshell-rp-strike!

I don't care about the hairstyle. But I do sympathise. Yet again, there are people who are basically saying "I'm sorry you are unhappy, but what you need to understand is that I'm happy, so F you"

I literally just explained to you how to earn Gil in Bozja and eureka, Bozja you can reflect sprites or other types of cluster farming. Eureka it’s mostly bunnies. For roulettes if you do them consistently then you will have the money by the time savage roles around. You shouldn’t start earning money when savage drops, and if you are late to the party then craft

This is the problem I’m trying to get at. You can’t be resistant to advice freely offered then complain when not taking the offered advice means you don’t achieve the desired result

If your wider opinion is “I should be able to do whatever I want and achieve everything I want from doing whatever I want” then MMO’s simply aren’t the right genre for that

[hydralus]

I don't care about the hairstyle. But I do sympathise. Yet again, there are people who are basically saying "I'm sorry you are unhappy, but what you need to understand is that I'm happy, so F you"

On the flipside putting tradable hair/glamour rewards in savage raids should help raiders with affording crafted gear during the next savage tier so that's pretty nice for them.