Don't do chaotic raid again

[AllenThyl]

PF is currently flooded with players who don't even do Extremes. So I feel like maybe the unlock should be locked behind EX3.

The raid is unlocked by speaking to the Wandering Minstrel (where all other Extremes are unlocked as well), and it's part of the "High-end Duty" category. The fact that the community behaves entitled like that is nothing that could ever be fixed by any game design. The sad reality is, that it really isn't that different from "normal" PF experience. It's an attitude problem of the "Western" part of the community, where being able to clear a mechanic 3 out of 4 times (unless of course it's the "cursed" pattern, which happens half the time), is regarded as "I have mastered this mechanic". This kind of behavior is already a problem in 8 man content, it's simply aggravated with 3 times that player count.

[Absurdity]

It's an attitude problem of the "Western" part of the community, where being able to clear a mechanic 3 out of 4 times (unless of course it's the "cursed" pattern, which happens half the time), is regarded as "I have mastered this mechanic". This kind of behavior is already a problem in 8 man content, it's simply aggravated with 3 times that player count.

The amount of "prog lying" certainly has gotten worse over the years.

We were half a static, 2 tanks 2 healers, and had to pug all the DPS in PF this raid tier. Cleared up to M4S in about 2 months, but it took us an extra 2 months to clear M4S because
1. Parties just wouldn't fill for hours, we had raid nights where we sat in PF for 2 hours just to fill the last dps spot. (with only 2 raid nights of 3-4 hours a week this was already bad enough)
2. People were flat out joining for mechanics way further than they had seen and sandbagged everyone else, I stopped counting the amount of times our phase 2 prog turned into EE2 prog because people lied about getting to phase 2.